I agree. I'm quite happy the #'s have returned. It's been an interesting test and it's really surprising how low the #'s got. I thought it was close to losing it's 1st bar but at 99% SOH, I don't think it would happen even though every other # was so low.o00scorpion00o said:I would say that now you have done your test and the numbers are rising that there is nothing to be concerned about and driving for the sake of it now would be rather useless if those trips are not necessary.
LeafMuranoDriver said:Over the past 5 days, I only drove and charged when needed. My best stats at the end of my "test" were 279 GIDs / 20.6 kWh, 2 days later it only charged to 275 GIDs / 20.3 kWh and yesterday was down to 271 GIDs / 20.0 kWh.
The only difference was miles driven. I charged exactly the same as usual and the temps have been pretty consistent, maybe a little higher which should up the usable capacity.
If the Leaf is not used and charged daily, the usable capacity sure goes down quite a bit.
SOH has been steady at 99%.
You mean the reported capacity goes down, not the usable capacity. Unless you are doing a range test to turtle to confirm, you're almost certainly just seeing the effects usage patterns on how the LBC calculates internal values.LeafMuranoDriver said:If the Leaf is not used and charged daily, the usable capacity sure goes down quite a bit.
If LeafSpy reports I have 22.6 kWh available vs. 20.1 kWh... isn't that 2.5 kWh less of usable capacity?drees said:You mean the reported capacity goes down, not the usable capacity. Unless you are doing a range test to turtle to confirm, you're almost certainly just seeing the effects usage patterns on how the LBC calculates internal values.LeafMuranoDriver said:If the Leaf is not used and charged daily, the usable capacity sure goes down quite a bit.
No.LeafMuranoDriver said:...If LeafSpy reports I have 22.6 kWh available vs. 20.1 kWh... isn't that 2.5 kWh less of usable capacity?..
Exactly! The is a classic case of "the illusion of precision", a common phenomenon in the science world. Trying to apply hard numbers to the chemistry of a battery is difficult and subject to fairly wide error bars, depending on the measurement conditions.drees said:You mean the reported capacity goes down, not the usable capacity. Unless you are doing a range test to turtle to confirm, you're almost certainly just seeing the effects usage patterns on how the LBC calculates internal values.LeafMuranoDriver said:If the Leaf is not used and charged daily, the usable capacity sure goes down quite a bit.
LeafMuranoDriver said:If LeafSpy reports I have 22.6 kWh available vs. 20.1 kWh... isn't that 2.5 kWh less of usable capacity?drees said:You mean the reported capacity goes down, not the usable capacity. Unless you are doing a range test to turtle to confirm, you're almost certainly just seeing the effects usage patterns on how the LBC calculates internal values.LeafMuranoDriver said:If the Leaf is not used and charged daily, the usable capacity sure goes down quite a bit.
I can definitely tell I get less mileage per charge than I did when the stats were higher. When my stats were higher the GOM would always read 100+ when I charged. As my stats got to their low, I get around 80-90 no matter how easy I drive prior to charging. These #'s are with ECO on and no heat/AC.
I'm looking at the GOM after consistent driving though. I drive the same routes at the same speed 95% of the time and also charge the same.o00scorpion00o said:I'd pay no attention to the GOM, as a poster suggested above, the only way to know is to drive it to turtle and measure the Kwh consumed by leafspy and the miles driven. But you'd want to have done this test from brand new to compare.
I guess not based on the above posts?o00scorpion00o said:Leafspy reports the usable capacity.
Exactly. I drive the same so shouldn't it be the same? I cannot get the GOM to even read 100+ if I drive easy compared to when my stats were higher, the GOM would always read 100+.o00scorpion00o said:The GOM will base it's reading on the previous driving style, If I drive easy a full charge might say 100 miles on the GOM or 75 is I drive hard.
LeafMuranoDriver said:I'm jealous of your stats, o00scorpion00o.
But according to some posts above, they are not accurate. I'm still trying to understand...
21-22 is definitely acceptable. I charged yesterday and only got 20.7 kWh / 267 GIDs / 56.82 AHr.o00scorpion00o said:We're all trying to understand, but as long as I'm showing 21-22 kwh available then I'm happy.
LeafMuranoDriver said:21-22 is definitely acceptable. I charged yesterday and only got 20.7 kWh / 267 GIDs / 56.82 AHr.o00scorpion00o said:We're all trying to understand, but as long as I'm showing 21-22 kwh available then I'm happy.
My test to drive/charge daily worked bringing me from 20.1 kWh up to 21.6 kWh. Once I stopped testing and went back to charging every 2-3 days my stats are dropping quite rapidly.
At the current rate, I may be back at my low in a week or 2.
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