47 mile one way trip with 22 kWh 2014 Nissan Leaf

[Driver1000]

Hi,

I am interested in buying a 2014 Nissan Leaf with a 22 kWh battery.

I have some questions.

The one way trip is 47 miles (75 km).

The car needs to be able to travel this distance. Önce I reach the location I will recharge it and travel back. I will do this 4 times a week.

I live in the Netherlands so our winters are quite cold. Will the 2014 Nissan Leaf 22 kWh always reach this distance in the winter?

Is the car reliable enough to consistently travel this distance?

 

[knightmb]

Hi,

I am interested in buying a 2014 Nissan Leaf with a 22 kWh battery.

I have some questions.

The one way trip is 47 miles (75 km).

The car needs to be able to travel this distance. Önce I reach the location I will recharge it and travel back. I will do this 4 times a week.

I live in the Netherlands so our winters are quite cold. Will the 2014 Nissan Leaf 22 kWh always reach this distance in the winter?

Is the car reliable enough to consistently travel this distance?

Is the 22 kWH the usable capacity? Does it have a battery other than what Nissan put in it? How many capacity bars do you see on the dash?

 

[Driver1000]

Is the 22 kWH the usable capacity? Does it have a battery other than what Nissan put in it? How many capacity bars do you see on the dash?

I don't know.

Car is 24 kWh.
Usable capacity is 22 kWh

 

[knightmb]

I don't know.

Car is 24 kWh.
Usable capacity is 22 kWh

Given that it is a 2014, the usable capacity when brand new was +21 kWh and that degrades over time. I would suspect the battery is probably closer to 18 kWh under ideal and perfect conditions. I would still at least take a picture of the dashboard and send it here for others to look at to gauge how far you might be able to drive.

 

[Driver1000]

Given that it is a 2014, the usable capacity when brand new was +21 kWh and that degrades over time. I would suspect the battery is probably closer to 18 kWh under ideal and perfect conditions. I would still at least take a picture of the dashboard and send it here for others to look at to gauge how far you might be able to drive.

So if the usable capacity is 18 kWh, how far could I drive with it in the winter?

 

[cornbinder89]

May be this will help.
I have a 2015 with 9 bars showing on battery health. In the warmer months I can make 2 trips back to back, to town which is very close to your 47 mile, but without much to spare. In the dead of winter, no way, single trip is fine but not a double.
I doubt that a 2014 would be much better if better at all than my 2015.
Every car has a different life and suffers different battery degradation rate, only thing that is for sure, they all degrade.

 

[Pantoe]

Hi,

I am interested in buying a 2014 Nissan Leaf with a 22 kWh battery.

I have some questions.

The one way trip is 47 miles (75 km).

The car needs to be able to travel this distance. Önce I reach the location I will recharge it and travel back. I will do this 4 times a week.

I live in the Netherlands so our winters are quite cold. Will the 2014 Nissan Leaf 22 kWh always reach this distance in the winter? In

Is the car reliable enough to consistently travel this distance?

I wouldn't buy one now, the charging system is going over to CCS, and a converter is hugely expensive, a staggering £1,200, in 2 years the value of my super low milage Tekna has dropped £9,000, and just to add injury to insult I have lost a battery pack at only 16,000 miles, save up for a better CCS EV.

 

[Daklein]

That should work perfectly fine, as long as you can charge at the destination. Round trip, without recharging, 47 x2 miles would not be possible with normal driving.

 

[aqn]

My 2011 SV with 74% SOH, charged to 80%, will do maybe mid-40s miles if I drive very carefully.

Also, you will need Level 2 charging at your destinations because to charge from almost empty to 80% on Level 1 will prob take more than 10 hours. On Level 2, my LEAF currently requires about 25-30 minutes per state-of-charge bar, so about 4.5-5 hours to charge to 80%.

Here's a table of the times I have 0 or 1 state-of-charge bars remaining (of 12 bars) in the past 3.5 years or so:

date/time	temp. 'F	indicated mi/kwh	miles traveled	final GOM reading	SOC bars remaining	avg. speed, mph	ac or heater or none
05/18 17:55	94	3.7	20.5	3	1/12	18.5	ac
03/17 15:00	64	4.0	33.0	6	1/12	21.9	heater 70'F
02/18 20:47	39	3.8	32.2	4	1/12	26.0	heater 67'F
02/17 18:47	43	4.1	42.2	---	0/12	23.00	heater
01/18 21:34	47	4.3	33.4	---	0/12	32.1	-
2023/12/30 10:53	53	3.6	20.0	---	0/12	28.9	heater
2023/12/07 21:46	63	4.8	18.2	7	1/12	17.0	-
2023/11/04 15:42	77	3.8	22.3	-	0/12	26.2	ac
2023/11/02 21:29	50	3.5	15.7	-	0/12	24.9	heater
2023/11/02 16:33	60	-	14.3	-	1/12	-	-
2023/09/23 10:30	86	4.2	35.2	7	1/12	24.2	ac
2023/08/06 12:41	96	4.1	34.8	6	1/12	23.9	ac
2023/06/04 19:13	77	4.1	42.1	4	1/12	25.3	ac
2023/04/27 22:05	60	4 2	38.6	7	1/12	28.6	heater
2023/02/16 21:38	41	3.2	33.1	---	0/12	27.9	-
2023/02/10 19:21	43	3.4	28.3	6	1/12	21.0	heater
2023/02/02 23:06	51	-	0.0	4	1/12	-	heater
2023/02/02 10:01	49	-	0.0	--	0/12	-	-
2023/01/31 16:38	52	-	0.0	4	1/12	-	heater
2022/11/19 15:38	37	3.0	29.3	4	1/12	19.4	heater
2022/11/06 14:52	80	3.0	38.2	4	1/12	20.5	-
2022/09/11 12:32	86	4.3	42.5	6	1/12	29.5	ac
2022/08/13 14:02	98	4.0	51.3	3	1/12	26.3	ac
2022/07/31 17:12	100	3.6	37.8	-	0/12	20.1	-
2022/06/18 19:09	96	4.1	40.4	4	1/12	-	ac
2022/06/16 21:26	90	4.4	44.3	7	1/12	24.7	-
2022/06/11 14:25	101	3.6	35.1	7	1/12	26.0	ac
2022/05/03 20:32	83	3.8	36.5	7	1/12	24.6	ac
2022/03/26 14:34	89	3.8	36.3	6	1/12	28.2	-
2022/02/20 19:41	64	3.9	44.4	3	1/12	31.5	-
2022/01/22 15:53	51	3.8	35.3	5	1/12	22.3	-
2021/11/13 22:38	68	4.0	25.1	5	1/12	26.0	-
2021/10/16 15:59	71	-	23.2	6	1/12	-	ac

(You need to get an OBD-II dongle and LEAF Spy Pro to get the full picture of the battery's health. The "capacity remaining" bars is only a very very rough estimate. Search on here on "Leaf Spy". Here's an example of one of LEAF Spy Pro's battery health display:

 

[Tony 240]

Hi,

I am interested in buying a 2014 Nissan Leaf with a 22 kWh battery.

I have some questions.

The one way trip is 47 miles (75 km).

The car needs to be able to travel this distance. Önce I reach the location I will recharge it and travel back. I will do this 4 times a week.

I live in the Netherlands so our winters are quite cold. Will the 2014 Nissan Leaf 22 kWh always reach this distance in the winter?

Is the car reliable enough to consistently travel this distance?

 

[Tony 240]

I am living in Ontario Canada so in the winter time you can roughly lose 30% of your range when you are heating the car so when I do a 22 KM Drive to the town I volunteer at I have to charge or I might not get back. I own a 2012 Leaf that has just gone down to 8 bars. Also in the winter it is a good plan to put a 12 volt battery maintainer on your car.

 

[PaulNewall]

Here's my experience. I have a 2015 leaf tekna with 11 of the 12 battery health bars showing. And LeafSpy tells me the battery has around 84% of its original 24kWh, so about 20kWh available. That would be if I charged to 100% and ran it down to 0% but I actually charge to 80% and discharge to 20% which should help to keep the battery capacity from reducing more. So I use 60% of my 20kWh which is 12kWh. This energy allows me to drive 45miles, around half of that is on a motorway at 65miles/h, and there are some gentle hills, but nothing very high or steep. This is in the UK with summer temperature around 20degC and winter around 6degC. I do not see much reduction in range in the winter, but I do not heat the car much.
Charging to put the 12kWh back, takes around 6 hours at 2kW, or 2 hours at 6kW.

 

[mikel52]

Hi,

I am interested in buying a 2014 Nissan Leaf with a 22 kWh battery.

I have some questions.

The one way trip is 47 miles (75 km).

The car needs to be able to travel this distance. Önce I reach the location I will recharge it and travel back. I will do this 4 times a week.

I live in the Netherlands so our winters are quite cold. Will the 2014 Nissan Leaf 22 kWh always reach this distance in the winter?

Is the car reliable enough to consistently travel this distance?

I have a 2013 and live near Chicago. I the summer I can make my 35 mile each way commute but I do plug in when I get to work. If I don't I'm down to very low battery warning when I get home. In the winter My wife and I swap cars. she only goes about 1 Km each way and loves the climate control timer having it warmed up for her in the morning.
Mike

 

[TronJockey]

Hi,

I am interested in buying a 2014 Nissan Leaf with a 22 kWh battery.

I have some questions.

The one way trip is 47 miles (75 km).

The car needs to be able to travel this distance. Önce I reach the location I will recharge it and travel back. I will do this 4 times a week.

I live in the Netherlands so our winters are quite cold. Will the 2014 Nissan Leaf 22 kWh always reach this distance in the winter?

Is the car reliable enough to consistently travel this distance?

Depends MASSIVELY upon how the vehicle has been used and charged. Without knowing this history you would be taking a major risk for a 10-year old early gen Leaf. Knowing the vehicles odometer would help us with a prediction as would knowing the number of SOH bars remaining (you should be able to provide these easily by starting the vehicle and looking at the driver's gauge cluster). However, a Leaf Spy readout is what you really need. For a 2014, if the vehicle was reasonably well treated and the overall mileage is under 75k miles, you should have at least 9-10 of the original 12 bars remaining. That could be roughly 75% of its original capacity. Ideally a 24 kWh Leaf can average 4.0 miles per kWh in good weather. The useable capacity on a new 24 kWh battery pack is a bit closer to 21.5 kWh so with 75% remaining capacity you're looking at roughly 16 kWh useable. That would give you 64 miles (103 km) of range on a Summer day and perhaps 51 miles (82 km) on an average Winter day in the Netherlands. If running the heater full blast (non-heat pump version) your Winter range could be considerably less. Personally, for your application, I wouldn't accept anything with less than 80% remaining capacity on a 2014 Leaf.

 

[Metten]

Hi,

I am interested in buying a 2014 Nissan Leaf with a 22 kWh battery.

I have some questions.

The one way trip is 47 miles (75 km).

The car needs to be able to travel this distance. Önce I reach the location I will recharge it and travel back. I will do this 4 times a week.

I live in the Netherlands so our winters are quite cold. Will the 2014 Nissan Leaf 22 kWh always reach this distance in the winter?

Is the car reliable enough to consistently travel this distance?

Ook hallo,
Since January this year I drive a Nissan e-NV200 from 2014. SOH=79%. No problem driving 75 km during Dutch winter, using the heater or airco will drop the range with 10-20 km. The range also depends a lot on the maximum speed. Using the 80 km/u roads the range is 100+ km. Overall I don’t regret buying this car. The CHAdeMO connection is widely available in the Netherlands. I normally use the type2 loader with the home socket which takes about 5 hours to load from 20 – 85% till 100% takes another 3 hours.

 

[CHLPatent]

Hi,

I am interested in buying a 2014 Nissan Leaf with a 22 kWh battery.

I have some questions.

The one way trip is 47 miles (75 km).

The car needs to be able to travel this distance. Önce I reach the location I will recharge it and travel back. I will do this 4 times a week.

I live in the Netherlands so our winters are quite cold. Will the 2014 Nissan Leaf 22 kWh always reach this distance in the winter?

Is the car reliable enough to consistently travel this distance?

Last time I had the numbers, I was getting 4.8 miles per kilowatt hour - local non-highway driving in hot summer weather (which will also reduce range) here in norther Virginia/Washington, D.C. area USA.

Highway driving will reduce the range due to wind resistance.
Aggressive driving will too - I do not exceed the speed limits and accelerate moderately.

People extend their range by things like coasting through stop signs - I come to a complete stop.
I don't use the heat in winter or the A/C in summer.

My 2012 Leaf has no active heating or cooling - air cooled when moving.

So maybe that info will help you decide.

There are a lot of Leaf's in Norway, so maybe there is a group there you can ask?

Good luck.

 

[Mr. G.]

Hello all from here in Wisconsin. I have a 2013 Leaf with 9 out of 12 bars, and setting at less than 70k miles. Summer average range on the gauge is 64 to 74 depending on AC use. Winter 52 to 60 depending on heater use. I drive a round trip of 36 miles a day half at 65 mph and half at 55 mph, but I drive like a grandma getting up to those speeds. Summer time more than enough to stop and run a few arrons around town. I start with a full charge and end the day around 38-44%. In the winter if I just do the 36 mile round trip I'll start with 100% and end around 18-24%. Driving habits play a huge difference in range in my opinion along with HVAC, and if stored inside. (Garage is heated to 50 overnight in Winter) My winter average 3.8-4 miles/kWH while summer 4.4 - 4.8 miles/kWH.

As far as a 47 mile trip, then charge, and then return I would think a Leaf simular in condition to mine would make the trip with driving reasonably, and using very limit heat. With my 36 mile round trip in the winter, it sets outside (at times in -20 degrees F) for 8 hours. Battery will typically be only one bar for temp at the end of my work day. Then I needs to warm up the car, scrap windows, ect then drive home, and still make it.

 

[cdherman]

BTW, the Leaf has minimal losses when accelerating more rapidly. The battery and motor are VERY efficient. There is a little more heat generated when power is drawn from the battery rapidly, but this pales in comparison to the general heat production of driving and pulling a large steady current at highway speeds.

Brisk deacceleration (ie Braking) IS a bad thing. Using the friction brakes is especially bad, but even the electric braking loses something like 30%. ie if you used 100watts to get up to speed (plus friction losses), you would see only 70 watts back in the battery when using regenerative braking. (I might be wrong here, could be WORSE and someone might correct me)

So what I am trying to say is that the old traditional "driving like grandma" is not really the ticket. You can accelerate pretty normally, even aggressively, but try and figure out how to slow coast to stops. Letting the cars inertia roll you to the red light which you see in the distance as opposed to regenerative braking is the idea. By avoiding regen and coasting (feather the pedal) you have converted the inertia of the vehicle into distance as opposed to watts. And distance is really what we are trying to achieve here.

Of course as noted, speed really kills, as does weather conditions.