DaveinOlyWA
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LeftieBiker said:Is this an S24 (kwh) or an S30?
IT would be a 24
LeftieBiker said:Is this an S24 (kwh) or an S30?
I think you will find zero flexibility in the cost of buyout at end of lease, when you begin "working with dealerships". There is a residual figure in your contract, and a buyout fee. NMAC is offering no buyout promotions at this time and there is no money in it for the dealership that would cause them to subsidize your buyout. About the only other thing to discuss is any additional fees including title transfer, registration, document fees, etc.leafygood said:When we start working with the dealerships on purchasing, what is a good ball park we should aim for based on the above information?
DaveinOlyWA said:LeftieBiker said:Is this an S24 (kwh) or an S30?
IT would be a 24
LeftieBiker said:DaveinOlyWA said:LeftieBiker said:Is this an S24 (kwh) or an S30?
IT would be a 24
The 24, being the Lizard Pack, may make the car worth more, at least in some cases.
You keep saying this but, all the current information which I see, appears to support that the chemistry of the 24 kwh and 30 kwh packs are the same. The results of reprogramming the charge monitoring circuitry in the 30 kwh Leafs also appears to support the conclusion that the rate of capacity loss for the 2 packs is about the same (which makes sense if the chemistry is the same).LeftieBiker said:The 24, being the Lizard Pack, may make the car worth more, at least in some cases.DaveinOlyWA said:It would be a 24LeftieBiker said:Is this an S24 (kwh) or an S30?
Psyclonus said:We're reaching the end of our lease this month on our 2016 SV. We have 33,000 miles on it (though we slowed down quite a bit after the first 7 months with the car, when we moved closer to my wife's employer). Payoff on the car is $12,900, and we leased for $0 down, $270/month. Dealers here are quoting me $400/month lease pricing now for new SVs, which seems crazy high, considering our 2012 SL and 2016 SV were both $270/month. I'm leaning toward just keeping the 2016, as I can finance it at 3% and that's $375/month for 36 months, cheaper than leasing a new car, and I get to keep/sell the car at the end of the 3 year period.
Am I missing something? I'm honestly shocked at how much the price has gone up vs. our previous two.
Psyclonus said:We're reaching the end of our lease this month on our 2016 SV. We have 33,000 miles on it (though we slowed down quite a bit after the first 7 months with the car, when we moved closer to my wife's employer). Payoff on the car is $12,900, and we leased for $0 down, $270/month. Dealers here are quoting me $400/month lease pricing now for new SVs, which seems crazy high, considering our 2012 SL and 2016 SV were both $270/month. I'm leaning toward just keeping the 2016, as I can finance it at 3% and that's $375/month for 36 months, cheaper than leasing a new car, and I get to keep/sell the car at the end of the 3 year period.
Am I missing something? I'm honestly shocked at how much the price has gone up vs. our previous two.
Did you read the article I posted with my comment? If not, here is an interesting excerpt -LeftieBiker said:Even if the chemistry is identical, the 30kwh pack has cells packed more densely, thus with worse cooling. From what I've seen I'd take a 24kwh pack over a 30.
Dooglas said:I think you will find zero flexibility in the cost of buyout at end of lease, when you begin "working with dealerships". There is a residual figure in your contract, and a buyout fee. NMAC is offering no buyout promotions at this time and there is no money in it for the dealership that would cause them to subsidize your buyout. About the only other thing to discuss is any additional fees including title transfer, registration, document fees, etc.leafygood said:When we start working with the dealerships on purchasing, what is a good ball park we should aim for based on the above information?
So is it confirmed that all the gross payoff amount discounts are totally gone?
So, go talk to a dealer about a buyout. You'll find out soon enough. NMAC suggests you make an inspection appointment 2 months in advance of end-of-lease so you should get on with finding out what is actually within the realm of the possible. As I commented, don't be disappointed if the dealer offers next to nothing in the way of incentives. And report back how it goes.HornsKeith said:So is it confirmed that all the gross payoff amount discounts are totally gone? Our 2015 SV lease is up next month, so that'd be lousy timing if so. At that point, it'll be a binary choice of either buying the car for the residual plus the usual fees or just turning it in. Hmmmm....
LeftieBiker said:I've been following this issue, including that piece. Unfortunately, some Leaf owners who have had the update applied have NOT seen a corresponding increase in actual range. It appears to me at this point that some cars have a defect that is correctable by this update, and that others have excessive degradation that the update does NOT correct. For this reason I continue to regard the 30kwh pack as problematic. It appears to be a bit of a crap shoot if you buy a car that has one.
LeftieBiker said:You live in one of the mildest climates in the country. My guess - and it is only a guess, at the moment - is that the 30kwh pack, even if it does use the Lizard chemistry, suffers from heat-induced degradation more because of the more densely-packed cells. So it may be that people in milder climates can get a great deal on a 30kwh Leaf by getting one with lost bars and then having the update applied. I'm not going to tell anyone to do that, though, because of the possibility that the update won't fix their particular car.
If this speculation were true, wouldn't the effect be even more pronounced with the 40 kwh pack?LeftieBiker said:My guess - and it is only a guess, at the moment - is that the 30kwh pack, even if it does use the Lizard chemistry, suffers from heat-induced degradation more because of the more densely-packed cells.
Dooglas said:If this speculation were true, wouldn't the effect be even more pronounced with the 40 kwh pack?LeftieBiker said:My guess - and it is only a guess, at the moment - is that the 30kwh pack, even if it does use the Lizard chemistry, suffers from heat-induced degradation more because of the more densely-packed cells.
Dooglas said:If this speculation were true, wouldn't the effect be even more pronounced with the 40 kwh pack?LeftieBiker said:My guess - and it is only a guess, at the moment - is that the 30kwh pack, even if it does use the Lizard chemistry, suffers from heat-induced degradation more because of the more densely-packed cells.
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