smkettner
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Now if EVgo had a QC every 50 miles between Dallas and Houston that would be a real temptation.
Around one city may not be as much demand.
Around one city may not be as much demand.
eVgo would be crazy not to offer pay-per-use to tap the market of people for whom a subscription absolutely does not work. But to offer it too soon would cut into their subscriber base, and they probably want to be sure to get all the subscribers they possibly can before offering an alternative. Long term I agree that a pay-per-use plan would get people started with eVgo and some of them would convert to subscription. They might even change the price differential for pay-per-use from time to time according to how many registered users they had and how many charging stations, so they could maintain a good quality of service for their subscribers.Herm said:Obviously eVgo wants you to sign up long term so they have a workable business model, but perhaps they should offer a pay-per-use with a fee of about $10 for the L3 charger, it would be a strong inducement to sign up for the plan and get L3 rights for free plus it would be a service to the ev community.
eVgoNetwork said:If consumers want the confidence and capabilities that come with such a network, whether they actually use it or just know that it is there if needed, then someone will have to pay for it. If the government pays for it, then everyone, including people who don't even drive a car will pay for all of the fixed costs required to make a charge possible. If the private sector pays for it, these fixed costs can be best balanced by fixed revenue in the form of a monthly subscription plan.
+1erdalc said:I pass by an Evgo station everyday. I have not seen any car being charged yet.Evgo should let us use it either free or pay per charge. I currentlyspent $21 for 1500 miles in almost 2 months. I do not see any reason to pay $49 monthly subscription that I might need their stations 1 or 2 times in a month.
It is actually $79 / month to use the mobile station(s). The $49 is just leasing the home EVSE.erdalc said:I pass by an Evgo station everyday. I have not seen any car being charged yet.Evgo should let us use it either free or pay per charge. I currentlyspent $21 for 1500 miles in almost 2 months. I do not see any reason to pay $49 monthly subscription that I might need their stations 1 or 2 times in a month.
erdalc said:Evgo should let us use it either free or pay per charge.
I do believe I might PUSH the damned car home before I let myself get hosed for $50 a charge. I might spend $20, but I'd resent it and avoid it except for dire emergency. Seriously, if they can't make $10 a charge (5x my home price) work, it's a hopeless business case and they might as well pack it in. The whole membership thing is completely suspect, at this early stage. I'm supposed to spend $80 a month for something I might not get to use? What if there are multiple competing networks in my area? Am I now supposed to spend $80 times three? Membership works for Costco because there are plenty of non-membership places to buy that stuff, plus I can have confidence that Costco will be there when I need them. When there are QCs littered around like gas stations, then maybe a membership scenario makes sense, but not now.TonyWilliams said:So, I agree that in addition to a membership model, that the units be offered at maybe $30-$50 per charge ad hoc. You were never going to actually contribute to the very, very expensive infrastructure, therefore you would never buy that membership anyway.
davewill said:I do believe I might PUSH the damned car home before I let myself get hosed for $50 a charge. I might spend $20, but I'd resent it and avoid it except for dire emergency. Seriously, if they can't make $10 a charge (5x my home price) work, it's a hopeless business case and they might as well pack it inTonyWilliams said:So, I agree that in addition to a membership model, that the units be offered at maybe $30-$50 per charge ad hoc. You were never going to actually contribute to the very, very expensive infrastructure, therefore you would never buy that membership anyway.
I respectfully disagree. The cost to watch recent released movies at home is actually quite high, first runs, like the theater shows, aren't available at all. The movie theater is actually giving me a value...although the local theater just went from $8-10 bucks a pop to some luxury chain that apparently serves sushi at your seat for $20 plus. Needless to say, I won't be patronizing them. QC does represent a value added, and I said I'd pay $10-$20, which is significant premium over my home cost.TonyWilliams said:The cost at your home is a Red Herring. I can watch a movie at home for free (again, not factoring the house and TV costs), but plenty are happily paying $10-20 to go to a theater.
And if I were getting the 300-500 miles of range they were for their $50, I might see some value in it. Also, remember, we're the same folks who bought Prii and EVs partially because we balked at paying that much for gas.TonyWilliams said:... Plenty of people are paying way more $50 to fill their car up over and over. They could walk or ride the bus (or buy an electric car) and travel much cheaper. ...
eVgo contract snippet said:C. For the purposes of this Contract:
i. “ETF” means an early termination fee in the amount of $99.00.
ii. “Initial Term” means one (1) year from the Service Commencement Date.
iii.“Network Billing Commencement Date” means the date on which seventy (70) public chargers have been installed as part of the eVgo Network in the
Service Market.
iv.“Off-Peak Hours” does not apply.
v. “Reimbursement Rate” does not apply.
vi.“Service Market” means the greater Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area.
vii.“Service Commencement Date” means, in lieu of the definition set forth in the Terms and Conditions, the date on which eVgo issues you an eVgo Key Fob.
Danal said:So, lets do a little math....
30 * .14 = $4.20 in electricity. Or less. Maybe as little as $3.20 following the 80% logic. Anyway we now have a cost range.
Given that electric cost I'd be willing to pay $8 to $10 for a "pay as you go" charge. No more. If 100% markup is not enough margin for the business model of a charge provider, so be it. I'm simply not willing to pay.....
[/quote]eVgo contract snippet said:C. For the purposes of this Contract:
i. “ETF” means an early termination fee in the amount of $99.00.
ii. “Initial Term” means one (1) year from the Service Commencement Date.
iii.“Network Billing Commencement Date” means the date on which seventy (70) public chargers have been installed as part of the eVgo Network in the
Service Market.
iv.“Off-Peak Hours” does not apply.
v. “Reimbursement Rate” does not apply.
vi.“Service Market” means the greater Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area.
vii.“Service Commencement Date” means, in lieu of the definition set forth in the Terms and Conditions, the date on which eVgo issues you an eVgo Key Fob.
Where else besides Beltline and Montfort is there an evgo DC station?Pipcecil said:So say what you will, but some of us have absolutely relied on eVgo and the DC chargers
This would be an interesting usage pattern to analyze: what would be optimum price and frequency yield the highest gross margin. This is what business cases would be built on for some entity to put in a QC station. In San Diego it would be a lot easier to justify the business case since there is a much larger base of QC equipped EVs. In Dallas market, I am not sure how many QC equipped EVs. Pipcecil's and my Leaf both have QC ports. I know adric22's Leaf is not equipped. To me it is a tough business case to make in the DFW market. You are talking about a large cost just to install it plus all of the other things you previously mentioned. Plus DFW spans a fairly large area. The only DFW QC station that I know of is actually across the street from 2 Blink stations which erodes the demand some what.TonyWilliams said:I forgot to add that Econ 101 teaches that cost has little bearing on market price. Obviously, few would pay, myself included, the cost for a single DC charge in San Diego. But, I'd pay $20-$30, I think.
shay said:Where else besides Beltline and Montfort is there an evgo DC station?Pipcecil said:So say what you will, but some of us have absolutely relied on eVgo and the DC chargers
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