nosuchthing
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Alright alright alright! Let's move on back to the worthy subject of other former Leaf owners throwing in the towel and making a leap to Kia Soul EV... And its significance to Nissan.
ILETRIC said:As a footnote to this missive:
I have for the first time made my 84-mile commute to work on one charge. This was my plan/dream all along. Too bad Leaf could not do it. Driving 62-64 mph most of the way I came home with 22 miles (24% battery) remaining, some AC and defog heat for the return trip included. Total trip miles + GOM equaled to 106 miles.
Love the car. Love the steering, everything works, and my Nokia candybar phone connects automatically. Leaf could not do that either.
ILETRIC said:As a footnote to this missive:
I have for the first time made my 84-mile commute to work on one charge. This was my plan/dream all along. Too bad Leaf could not do it. Driving 62-64 mph most of the way I came home with 22 miles (24% battery) remaining, some AC and defog heat for the return trip included. Total trip miles + GOM equaled to 106 miles.
Love the car. Love the steering, everything works, and my Nokia candybar phone connects automatically. Leaf could not do that either.
It has a TMS, it is better than all LEAFs!!! Even if the LEAF lizard battery is better than the garbage Nissan put in the 2011 LEAF, it would be even better if it had a TMS. Nissan has a TMS in their second production EV, the E-NV200, that is the equivalent to admitting that they screwed up with the LEAF. Why would they design in a TMS if it isn't required? If it is required for the E-NV200, it should be in the LEAF!Belvedere said:OP, I'm happy you're happy with your purchase, but please don't expect everyone to entertain this. The Soul definitely is an improvement over YOUR Leaf, but please don't spin this to pretend it's better than ALL Leafs.
pchilds said:It has a TMS, it is better than all LEAFs!!! Even if the LEAF lizard battery is better than the garbage Nissan put in the 2011 LEAF, it would be even better if it had a TMS. Nissan has a TMS in their second production EV, the E-NV200, that is the equivalent to admitting that they screwed up with the LEAF. Why would they design in a TMS if it isn't required? If it is required for the E-NV200, it should be in the LEAF!Belvedere said:OP, I'm happy you're happy with your purchase, but please don't expect everyone to entertain this. The Soul definitely is an improvement over YOUR Leaf, but please don't spin this to pretend it's better than ALL Leafs.
Belvedere said:I'm happy to see some opinions on the Soul EV, but it's a shame the opinions presented here are mostly hyperbolic and speculative in nature. Comparing an inadequately optioned 2011 Leaf to a 2015 model anything is a bit misguided in the first place. I don't own a Soul, but claiming it's the holy grail of EVs for having 8 more miles of range and niche hvac features sort of discredits all legitimacy.
OP, I'm happy you're happy with your purchase, but please don't expect everyone to entertain this. The Soul definitely is an improvement over YOUR Leaf, but please don't spin this to pretend it's better than ALL Leafs.
I am down three bars at 23k miles, I doubt that 2013 battery is any better than the 2011, the jury is still out on the 2015, I'LL get back to you in 2 1/2 years on that. Nissan is the only EV maker that doesn't use a TMS! All of the compliance cars have a TMS. You make a car that you are going to take back and crush after three years and you still put a TMS in it, sounds like a design requirement to me.Belvedere said:Since there aren't any sancitioned TMS standards, Tesla, GM or Nissan for that matter all have different ideas for what TMS actually entails. Do you even live in a climate where you think heating/cooling/TMS on the 2013+ batteries would even be a factor? More speculative fiction.
ILETRIC said:I traded in, or should I say "unloaded" my Leaf, just like yours, at a very motivated Kia dealer for $11,500. I suggest you do the same. Otherwise you can watch your Leaf's value drop like a bad stock. As I said it before, looking at the specs of the Soul EV I realized my Leaf--as much as I tried to sell it to my wife to "wait for a better battery, it's coming..."--was a dead ender. There was nothing that could resurrect it at reasonable cost and reasonable time.
She hated the Leaf in the end, hated the fact she had to constantly plug it in and worry about my pestering her about TOU. Car had become a problem. By switching on a spur of a moment we have effectively gotten rid of a problem product, doubled our range, and lowered our monthly payments on a car whose residual value in 2016 will be...
Anyone's guess, I suppose. Mine: about 5,000 bucks. A loss total of 20,000 dollars. This is why I've leased Spark EV and now Soul EV. No more buying EVs until many years from now when the tech stabilizes.
I doubt that 2013 battery is any better than the 2011
ILETRIC said:Anyone's guess, I suppose. Mine: about 5,000 bucks. A loss total of 20,000 dollars. This is why I've leased Spark EV and now Soul EV. No more buying EVs until many years from now when the tech stabilizes.
ILETRIC said:As a footnote to this missive:
I have for the first time made my 84-mile commute to work on one charge. This was my plan/dream all along. Too bad Leaf could not do it. Driving 62-64 mph most of the way I came home with 22 miles (24% battery) remaining, some AC and defog heat for the return trip included. Total trip miles + GOM equaled to 106 miles.
Love the car. Love the steering, everything works, and my Nokia candybar phone connects automatically. Leaf could not do that either.
DaveinOlyWA said:hope you leased and did not buy
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