LEAFfan
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indyflick said:
And if you lease, the way I figure it, it would be like getting the SL for the price of the SV!
List of Nissan Dealers who will sell LEAF for MSRP or Less
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And if you lease, the way I figure it, it would be like getting the SL for the price of the SV!
Actually leaffan, you bring up a better point. The SL trim is only $940 additional. So even if you buy, with the $1000 discount, it's a free upgrade!leaffan said:And if you lease, the way I figure it, it would be like getting the SL for the price of the SV!indyflick said:
evnow
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I'm sceptical about $1k discount. The dealer cut on Leaf is probably that much (1,300 on Volt, apparently). Are they trying to get some volume discounts ?
LEAFfan
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evnow said:
Skeptical? It does sound 'too good to be true', but he did say no 'add ons' without the customer wanting them. I'm hoping he'll match the 'free 200 miles' from that San Diego one, then I could drive it the rest of the way with only one charging stop.
Randy
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To be honest, I was expecting some sort of pricing considerations on the Leaf, just wasn't sure how far it would go.
Look at it this way, in your geographical region, there will be x number of cars sold. A relatively fixed number at first from us early adopters. It's an easy sale, not the usual test drive and high pressure, return visits, etc. It's a matter of agreeing on the price, taking delivery of the car from Nissan, sprucing it up, and getting it to us. If they would normally sell a certain number of units at MSRP, but could sell 100 or 200 more units at MSRP-$500 or MRSP-$1000, then there's more money to be made.
So it makes perfect sense to me that some dealers will see this and act on it...The real question is...How low will it go...
Randy
Look at it this way, in your geographical region, there will be x number of cars sold. A relatively fixed number at first from us early adopters. It's an easy sale, not the usual test drive and high pressure, return visits, etc. It's a matter of agreeing on the price, taking delivery of the car from Nissan, sprucing it up, and getting it to us. If they would normally sell a certain number of units at MSRP, but could sell 100 or 200 more units at MSRP-$500 or MRSP-$1000, then there's more money to be made.
So it makes perfect sense to me that some dealers will see this and act on it...The real question is...How low will it go...
Randy
evnow
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stanley said:
Don't know. Maxima is 8% ($2,577) and Altima is 4% ($822).
Here's a "back of the napkin" analysis using empirical Kelly Blue Data. The data indicates the average discount off of MSRP (what consumers are really paying for the vehicle) for three Nissan vehicles in the Leaf price point is $1811. So $1000 off of MSRP is not at all unusual for a $32,000 Nissan vehicle.evnow said:
Here are the Nissan vehicles I found.
http://www.kbb.com/new-cars/nissan/maxima/2010/pricing-report
http://www.kbb.com/new-cars/nissan/murano/2010/pricing-report?id=261400
http://www.kbb.com/new-cars/nissan/xterra/2010/pricing-report?id=256322#survey
jhm614
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stanley said:
What is Factory Holdback?
evnow
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indyflick said:
But Leaf is an unusual vehicle
May be the dealers here can chime in - but from what I heard Nissan cut the dealer margin quite a bit on Leaf to price it where it did.
indyflick said:
I don't know how old those Edmund's charts are, but I was told by a Nissan dealer just a couple of weeks ago that Nissan holdback is actually 2.75% these days.
deetime7767
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As usual...evnow is expressing to you all his insightful wisdom and I for one am with him on this whole matter. I'm highly pessimistic about that type of claim, especially the timing of it. Here's what I can tell you...once you go on your "Customer Dashboard" on the Nissan LEAF website and submit your request for a 'price quote' after having 'spec'd-out' your LEAF as you'd want, the Dealer will then reply with either a confirmation or a counter-offer, and that's when you'll know whether or not they are for real with their claimed $1000.00 discount. Should you reject the offer, you can select another dealer for another price quote and that prior dealership will have lost that opportunity for ( 7 ) days and can not negotiate with you further--nor you with them. If you get caught-up in this 'dealer shopping', you'll undoubtedly decrease your cars' arrival date as the 'confirmed-order' order bank will be filling up. The sooner you submit and confirm, the more likely you have a happy ETA date. Wave 1 is August, Wave 2 is Sept. for placing your order. Contact your local Nissan LEAF persons-of-contact at your local dealerships for more details.evnow said:
Deezelpower
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evnow said:
I have it confirmed from Nissan that the difference between invoice and MSRP is 4%. That is $1280 or so. Once dealers get this, everybody that is offering discounts is going to either pull their offer out or come up with some colorful way to make up for it (some "add on" or a very low trade in value if you are trading, with a take it or leave it approach). Keep in mind that many more will become interested once the Leaf is out and will pay premium pricing instead of waiting 5-6 months to get their order.
If you think that 4% is huge profit for the dealer, think again. Dealer hold back is not profit unless every model (not just the Leaf) sells within 30 days of arrival (which is impossible specially in this economy). Other wise, hold back is consumed by the interest dealers pay the banks that own the cars (flooring cost).
The Leaf is not a vehicle you can take to jiffy lube. Having a dealer there for you at all times when you need them is worth something isn't it??? Once the pricing system opens up, communicate first with the specialist at that dealer (EV sales Leader, Specialist, Fleet manager,etc..) and get a confirmation then submit your quote request electronically. This will speed up the process and eliminate problems.
There is nothing worse than the combination of an un-experienced car sales person and a "price only-driven" buyer, to screw up a historical purchase experience and a car like the leaf.
Where I purchase the car is not at all related to where I'll have the car serviced. Assuming I purchase from Fontana Nissan for their $1000 off MSRP offer, I'm certain any of the SD Nissan dealerships would welcome my service business.Deezelpower said:
Deezelpower
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No its not related and every body would welcome your leaf for service. But that dealer's priority is to their customers. If there is a recall, you will be at the bottom of the list. If they offer loaner cars, you will be at the bottom of their list.indyflick said:
Besides, I have tough time trusting a dealer that is making this claim before they even know what's what. Don't be short sighted. That so called $1000 off can end up costing you a lot more down the road.
AndyH
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Deezelpower said:
Nor is there any reason to take one to Jiffy Lube. The only serviceable lubricant in the car should be the gear lube in the [single-speed trans/gear reduction box]/differential.
All of the main body systems - doors, windows, body electrics, controls, brakes, etc. can be serviced by any shop that has the proper code reader/diagnostics computer (if necessary). The only parts that would likely require dealer intervention would be the computer(s) and main electric drive, charging, and battery management systems - and only in the near-term until diagnostic info becomes available to independent shops.
I do all my own vehicle work - and have software with which to reprogram and reconfigure my vehicle's systems. I'd much rather work on an EV than replace and tune diesel injectors.
Recalls last? That doesn't sound right. Recalls are mandated by the government and managed by the overall car company. I get notices from VW of America not from any dealer - and I can get recall service performed by any dealer.
JPC2822
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Deezelpower said:
Any Nissan dealer must honor a Nissan's car's warranty and Nissan car's problems. So If I get $1000 off in Fontana on the LEAF and I have a problem with the car I will take it to the Nissan down the street- they will fix it or I will get my lawyer.
Deezelpower
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[/quote]I do all my own vehicle work - and have software with which to reprogram and reconfigure my vehicle's systems. I'd much rather work on an EV than replace and tune diesel injectors.
Recalls last? That doesn't sound right. Recalls are mandated by the government and managed by the overall car company. I get notices from VW of America not from any dealer - and I can get recall service performed by any dealer.[/quote]
Thanks for your ultimate knowledge and wisdom. 2 things to remember:
A. doing your own work on the leaf is the best excuse Nissan needs to void your warranty.
B. If nissan recalls a module or whatever part, these are allocated to the dealer based on the number of units they have sold, so please be my guest: fix it your self or "flat bed" the car 100 miles to fix it or wait a few weeks for your turn. I know a few toyota owners that had a lot of fun not too long ago
Recalls last? That doesn't sound right. Recalls are mandated by the government and managed by the overall car company. I get notices from VW of America not from any dealer - and I can get recall service performed by any dealer.[/quote]
Thanks for your ultimate knowledge and wisdom. 2 things to remember:
A. doing your own work on the leaf is the best excuse Nissan needs to void your warranty.
B. If nissan recalls a module or whatever part, these are allocated to the dealer based on the number of units they have sold, so please be my guest: fix it your self or "flat bed" the car 100 miles to fix it or wait a few weeks for your turn. I know a few toyota owners that had a lot of fun not too long ago
Ready2plugin
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I work for a bank and I know that the dealer also can make some good money arranging the financing. This goes for if they set up financing with Nissan, a bank or a credit union, as long as the dealer has a relationship with them, they can make $500 up to 1% or so of the amount of the loan.
