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Some cars, like the first FWD Celica, have looks that are ahead of public taste. They seem ugly when introduced, then in a few years they look normal, and have lots of company on the road. I think that the Lucid is one of those.

Then there are styling abominations like the 'Hitler Mustache' look that Toyota is currently using on their cars and on the Lexus line. People will look back on this in a decade, and think "Why???"
 
LeftieBiker said:
Then there are styling abominations like the 'Hitler Mustache' look that Toyota is currently using on their cars and on the Lexus line. People will look back on this on a decade, and think "Why???"

Indeed. It's about the only thing I don't like about my Rav4 Prime. I like the 45ish miles EV range, the 40ish mpg in HV mode, the fact that it's a hybrid (love that actually) and the fact that it's comfortable and a capable 4WD car (SUV). But the front end......ugh.
 
My personal nominees for "will someone please put a bag over it" cars this century are the Nissan Juke and the Gen 1 Mirai, although some might just consider the latter weird rather than butt-ugly.
 
The Aughts version of the Camaro - with its 'Stepped On by Godzilla" roof line - was amazingly bad, and had the distinction of also damaging the Volt enough to stop it from being a real success. Why? Because they used a Camaro show car as the basis for the Volt show car (with a golf cart drivetrain replacing the ICE), and then when they actually built the Volt, they retained enough of the Camaro's Felony Stupid styling cues to ensure that the Volt was cramped inside. The Volt wasn't really Fugly like the Camaro, but its shape doomed it as a practical PHEV.
 
Lucid and V2X?
Quote from investors report - I've underlined what appears to be V2G, V2B and V2L capabilities:

"We've got a 19.2 kilowatts of stage two charging at home. It also acts as a conduit for 300 kilowatt DC fast charging capabilities. Now this is unprecedented, 300 kilowatts. This is what it enables. The Wunderbox enables nearly 300 miles fast charging on DC in just 20 minutes. And no one else is even close to this. We've actually run it with Electrify America at very close to 350 kilowatts, but we're going to limit it to 300 for battery life in production. And the bi-directionality of this will enable homes to be run off the car for grids to experience less strain, to have more robustness, and peak shaving for business. There are multiple advantages of this. This is an energy storage system. You can even charge another car right out of the electricity from your Lucid Air. And you can actually do some buddy breathing as if it were, to charge another car with a flat battery."

Anyone have details of the CCS/J-1772 bidirectionality on the Lucid Air? (there was thought that Tesla had incorporated bidirectional capabilities into their charger for a brief time).
 
https://www.lucidmotors.com/media-room/lucid-motors-proprietary-electric-drivetrain-technology-powers-record-setting-performance/

The Wunderbox also enables a wide array of future-ready, bi-directional power delivery features from the vehicle to the grid (V2G) for situations such as managing home power outages. It can also enable vehicle to vehicle charging (V2V).

https://www.lucidmotors.com/stories/lucid-air-fastest-charging-ev/

Home charging is a significant EV advantage, and every Lucid comes with a Lucid Mobile Charging Cord as standard. You can also purchase and install a Lucid Connected Home Charging Station, one of the first AC charging stations ever to offer bidirectional charging. This isn’t just a more cost-effective charging method — you can also use your Lucid Air as a temporary energy reserve to power your homes, including off-grid vacation properties. And our integrated partnership with Qmerit provides a seamless installation process. Simply complete a digital survey and Qmerit will manage the entire installation through its nationwide network of highly trained and licensed electricians.

https://www.lucidmotors.com/charging

Supporting up to 19.2kW of bidirectional power flow, various forms of connectivity, and a streamlined installation process, our Lucid charging station is future-ready. That means if there’s an outage, you’ll soon be able to power your home with your Air.
 
Thanks WetEV.
Appears grid disconnect and transfer to home backup is in the works. V2L and V2V appears to be offered as is V2G. Lucid claims they are incorporating V2B in their headquarters - be interesting to see how it's implemented. IMO, solar incorporation must be part of that implementation to get the full benefit of enhanced resilience of their operation for critical systems.
 
IEVS:
Watch World's First Lucid Air 0-100% DC Fast Charge Test

The Air sets new a standard in miles added per minute and becomes the fastest charging EV available today.

https://insideevs.com/news/550025/lucid-air-fast-charging-review/


. . . I had the honor of being the very first journalist to record a Lucid Air from 0% to 100% state of charge and record the entire session. It's the first video that shows the entire charging curve from start to finish, as well as the total amount of kWh delivered by the charging station.

The Air also became the first production EV that we've seen to accept more than 300 kW, although it only did so for a few minutes at the beginning of the charging session. The peak charge rate was a whopping 304 kW, as shown in the photo above.

The Lucid Air Dream Edition has a 118 kWh battery pack and is slightly larger than the 112 kWh pack that's in the Lucid Air Grand Touring. I spoke to Lucid engineers extensively about the size of the pack and was told that they allow 100% of the pack to be accessed, which is why they recommend charging to 80% on a daily basis. Some have speculated that the total capacity of the battery pack must be much more to allow for a safety buffer, but Lucid tells me otherwise, and that the total capacity is actually 118 kWh.

You may ask if the Air has a 118 kWh pack why then did the charging station show 134 kWh dispensed when charging was complete? That can be explained by charging losses. The higher the charging rate, the more heat that's created, and charging losses increase. Also, in order to keep the battery and components cool while charging, the cooling system and fans were blasting away - which is normal for all EVs while DC fast charging. The energy used to run these systems is dispensed to the vehicle, so you have to pay for it, but it gets used up while charging.

Based on a 118 kWh pack, that means we incurred 13.5% charging losses. That's a little high, as many of my DC fast charging sessions show about 10% charging losses. However, I recently did a full 0% to 100% Porsche Taycan DC fast charging recording and the station dispensed 12% more kWh than the vehicle's usable capacity, so that's very close to the losses we observed in the Air's charging session. Both vehicles charge at very high rates and thus will have slightly more energy loss due to the excessive heat.

Lucid Air Dream Edition Range 0 to 100% Charging Statistics

Time Charging Charging Power State of Charge Total kWh EPA Estimated Miles Added
5.5 Minutes 282 kW 20% 26 kWh 104 Miles
12 minutes 210 kW 40% 53 kWh 208 Miles
22 Minutes 133 kW 60% 80 kWh 312 Miles
37 Minutes 84 kW 80% 107 kWh 416 Miles
122 Minutes 4 kW 100% 134 kWh 520 Miles

When we do our DC fast charging analysis, we like to talk about how long it takes to add 100 and then 200 miles of driving range. We prefer to use the InsideEVs 70-mph highway range test results as the vehicle's full driving range, not the EPA range rating. We do so because we find that some vehicles, like the Porsche Taycan, always outperform its EPA range rating, and others, like Tesla vehicles continuously underperform the EPA range when driven at a constant highway speed.

However, we haven't been able to conduct a proper range test with the Air, so our only option was to use the EPA rated range, You'll see in the video we actually knocked off 20 miles of the Air Dream Edition Range's EPA range rating and used 500 miles as the total driving range. We did so to explain how long it took us to add back 100, 200, 300, and 400 miles of range. In the chart above, we used the full 520-mile EPA range rating.

The good news is we have confirmation that Lucid will also allow us to be the first outlet to be offered an Air Dream Edition Range to do a complete 100% to 0% range test, and we're currently setting that up. Once we do, we'll revise the time-to-charge charts using our observed range while driving at a constant 70mph.

The Lucid Air is the fastest charging EV that we've tested, and there's a couple of reasons for that. First off, the Air employs a 900-volt battery pack, which allows it to accept more power than electric vehicles that use a 400-volt battery system. That's why we saw a peak charging rate over 300 kW for the very first time.

Secondly, the Air is an incredibly efficient vehicle and can go further on each kWh than just about every other EV available today. Only the Tesla Model 3 and Y, as well as the Hyundai Ioniq Electric, are more efficient (according to EPA efficiency ratings) than the Lucid Air Dream Edition Range. Those two factors allow the Air to add back miles of driving range faster than any other EV, and because of its 118 kWh battery pack, it can go further per charge to boot.

The combination of incredibly fast charging and extreme efficiency make the Air the fastest charging electric vehicle today. It can add back over 300 miles of driving range in only 22 minutes. There are only a couple of EVs that can even go 300 miles at highway speeds, and only the Air can add that range back in a mere 22 minutes. . . .
 
ABG:
Lucid gets SEC subpoena for $24-billion blank-check deal

Shares of the luxury electric-car maker fell about 14% in pre-market trading on Monday

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/12/06/lucid-sec-investigation/


The U.S. securities regulator has asked Lucid Group for documents related to an investigation into its blank-check deal, joining a growing list of companies that have come under scrutiny for their merger with shell companies.

Shares of the luxury electric-car maker fell about 14% in pre-market trading on Monday after disclosing that it had received a subpoena from the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission on Dec. 3.

"The investigation appears to concern the business combination between the Company (Churchill Capital Corp. IV) and Atieva Inc and certain projections and statements," Lucid said in a regulatory filing.

Lucid's deal with veteran dealmaker Michael Klein's blank-check acquisition firm had given the combined company a pro-forma equity value of $24 billion and was completed earlier this year. . . .

The California startup joins many other electric-car makers being investigated by federal agencies and regulators as they rush to meet production targets and catch up with Tesla which is producing nearly 200,000 cars every quarter.

Nikola Corp is working with U.S. regulators to pay a $125 million penalty to settle a charge against its founder Trevor Milton for using social media to repeatedly mislead investors.

Lordstown Motors is being investigated for vehicle pre-orders and its merger with blank-check company DiamondPeak Holdings.

Founded in 2007 as Atieva Inc by former Tesla executive Bernard Tse and entrepreneur Sam Weng, Lucid is aiming to achieve production target of 20,000 vehicles in 2022 and 50,000 in 2023.

Lucid had in September secured $4.4 billion it needed until the end of next year. . . .
 
I finally got to sit in my friend's Lucid this weekend. It's a lower car than I realized. I didn't think the trunk was all that big. Also, not sure I would use the frunk except for charging cables. Very cool though. The back seats were very comfortable, though I think I might opt for the smaller pack which allows for more rear leg room...if I had an extra 100K or so for a car laying around. Rear head room was OK, but barely enough for me at 6'2".

The dash screen was very nice. Center screen was fine, but not sure I like having a big screen in the middle. Interesting mix of physical and virtual buttons. Interior materials were superb. Sound system superb. Different level leather than the v-leather you get in the newer M3s (they have become popular uber cars recently) and much nicer than the leather I had put in my Leaf.

The glass roof even with the thermal coating was still fairly warm. I am not a glass roof fan.

It didn't feel nearly as big in person as it looked like on the Youtube reviews.
 
EV maker Lucid again cuts production targets as logistics challenges cripple output
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/03/lucid-lcid-q2-2022-earnings-and-production-forecast.html
Electric vehicle maker Lucid Group again cut its production targets Wednesday.
Supply chain and logistics challenges mean demand for the company’s EVs far outpaces its output.
The company said it now has over 37,000 reservations for its Air electric luxury sedan, but it delivered just 679 cars in the second quarter.
 
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