Titanium48
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My point is that efficiency is important. The longer you can go on a given amount of energy, the less of a problem that inferior charging infrastructure becomes.
webb14leafs said:Hell. Yes.Daklein said:They need the Bullitt edition in green.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/mcqueen-bullitt-mustang-auction/McQueen-driven, original Bullitt Mustang will head to auction
This is the exact hero car used to film Bullitt, and Steve McQueen drove it.
. . . At the 2018 North American International Auto Show in Detroit, Ford presented the original Bullitt Mustang, the same car seen here, alongside its 2019 Ford Mustang Bullitt special edition. The whole production helped celebrate the film's 50th anniversary. The current owner inherited the car from his father, and so the story goes, McQueen himself tried to persuade the original owner to sell it to him. That never happened.
At the time of its presentation to the public, auto enthusiast site Hagerty took a closer look at the totally unrestored Bullitt Mustang and ventured the car is probably worth around $4 million. That's when the current owner said it wasn't for sale. Knowing it's up for grabs, I can easily imagine a bidding war brewing. We'll know how much the car is worth to collectors when Mecum Kissimmee kicks off Jan. 2, 2020.
Henry Reagan:
"Best Christmas card photo ever."
Heated First Row Seats
Heated Steering Wheel
GRA said:Per Ford's configure page, the Premium has:
Heated First Row Seats
Heated Steering Wheel
I imagine the options list will add rear heated seats at some point as they get closer to production release, and may offer them and the heated wheel on other trims.
webb14leafs said:I think the price is actually reasonable from a relative standpoint. The Kona is still selling (where available) for around $40K, and the Leaf+ was selling for $42K until a month or so ago. Yes it's expensive, but any new car is too expensive. My wife wants a Rav4 Hybrid, and the total cost of ownership for that car would exceed the Mach E (assuming it doesn't need a ton of unplanned maintenance).
danrjones said:webb14leafs said:I think the price is actually reasonable from a relative standpoint. The Kona is still selling (where available) for around $40K, and the Leaf+ was selling for $42K until a month or so ago. Yes it's expensive, but any new car is too expensive. My wife wants a Rav4 Hybrid, and the total cost of ownership for that car would exceed the Mach E (assuming it doesn't need a ton of unplanned maintenance).
I was thinking of replacing our outback with a plugin Rav4 hybrid coming this next year. But CA changed the rebate to a minimum of 35 miles for a plugin hybrid to qualify, and based on the current Prius prime, I don't think it will have enough miles. TBD
That's true about the costs. As I was saying, I like the Niro eV but since the cars are sitting around on the dealers lots, that must mean they are not negotiating much. Still, paying 50k to get heated seats is a bit too much. Maybe you guys are right and that will be an option on the lower trims.
I'd want the CA edition, assuming I could afford it - which I cannot - and it wasn't listed with heated seats.
webb14leafs said:danrjones said:webb14leafs said:I think the price is actually reasonable from a relative standpoint. The Kona is still selling (where available) for around $40K, and the Leaf+ was selling for $42K until a month or so ago. Yes it's expensive, but any new car is too expensive. My wife wants a Rav4 Hybrid, and the total cost of ownership for that car would exceed the Mach E (assuming it doesn't need a ton of unplanned maintenance).
I was thinking of replacing our outback with a plugin Rav4 hybrid coming this next year. But CA changed the rebate to a minimum of 35 miles for a plugin hybrid to qualify, and based on the current Prius prime, I don't think it will have enough miles. TBD
That's true about the costs. As I was saying, I like the Niro eV but since the cars are sitting around on the dealers lots, that must mean they are not negotiating much. Still, paying 50k to get heated seats is a bit too much. Maybe you guys are right and that will be an option on the lower trims.
I'd want the CA edition, assuming I could afford it - which I cannot - and it wasn't listed with heated seats.
I would think it would be a no-brainer in CA. Don't you get an extra $4K for EVs? Or is it only $2500?
Take almost $12K off the MSRP of a car that likely saves you over $200 in gas/month. Brings the total cost of ownership down to the level of a carolla. Californians (I used to be one) typically have long commutes and expensive gas.
GRA said:danrjones said:webb14leafs said:I think the price is actually reasonable from a relative standpoint. The Kona is still selling (where available) for around $40K, and the Leaf+ was selling for $42K until a month or so ago. Yes it's expensive, but any new car is too expensive. My wife wants a Rav4 Hybrid, and the total cost of ownership for that car would exceed the Mach E (assuming it doesn't need a ton of unplanned maintenance).
I was thinking of replacing our outback with a plugin Rav4 hybrid coming this next year. But CA changed the rebate to a minimum of 35 miles for a plugin hybrid to qualify, and based on the current Prius prime, I don't think it will have enough miles. TBD
danrjones said:That's true about the costs. As I was saying, I like the Niro eV but since the cars are sitting around on the dealers lots, that must mean they are not negotiating much. Still, paying 50k to get heated seats is a bit too much. Maybe you guys are right and that will be an option on the lower trims.
https://www.kia.ca/kia-warranty?sourceid=footerHigh Voltage Battery Capacity Coverage
The Lithium-Ion Polymer Battery (“EV Battery”) Capacity warranty coverage period is 8 years or 160,000 kilometres
from the Date of First Service, whichever comes first, for capacity loss below 70% of the original battery capacity.
This warranty covers repairs needed to return battery capacity to 70% of original battery capacity. If possible, the
EV battery components will be repaired or replaced, and the original EV Battery will be returned to the vehicle. If
necessary, the EV Battery will be replaced with either a new or remanufactured Lithium-Ion Polymer Battery. Any
repair or replacement made under this Lithium-Ion Polymer Battery Capacity Coverage may not return your
Lithium-Ion Battery to an “as new” condition with the original 100% battery capacity. However, it will provide the
vehicle with an EV Battery capacity of at least 70% of the original battery capacity.
Titanium48 said:No battery capacity warranty? According the the Kia Canada 2020 warranty manual, the Kia EV battery capacity warranty is better than Nissan's. Is it different in the USA?
https://www.kia.ca/kia-warranty?sourceid=footerHigh Voltage Battery Capacity Coverage
The Lithium-Ion Polymer Battery (“EV Battery”) Capacity warranty coverage period is 8 years or 160,000 kilometres
from the Date of First Service, whichever comes first, for capacity loss below 70% of the original battery capacity.
This warranty covers repairs needed to return battery capacity to 70% of original battery capacity. If possible, the
EV battery components will be repaired or replaced, and the original EV Battery will be returned to the vehicle. If
necessary, the EV Battery will be replaced with either a new or remanufactured Lithium-Ion Polymer Battery. Any
repair or replacement made under this Lithium-Ion Polymer Battery Capacity Coverage may not return your
Lithium-Ion Battery to an “as new” condition with the original 100% battery capacity. However, it will provide the
vehicle with an EV Battery capacity of at least 70% of the original battery capacity.
https://www.myev.com/research/buyers-sellers-advice/evaluating-electric-vehicle-warrantiesEVALUATING ELECTRIC VEHICLE WARRANTIES
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/27/ford-mustang-mach-e-first-edition-sold-out/Going, going, gone: 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E First Edition is sold out in U.S.
It's still available overseas
. . . Priced at $59,900 before destination, the First Edition model comes with dual-motor all-wheel drive, 333 horsepower, and up to 270 miles of range. It stands out from the other variants with model-specific scuff plates, brushed aluminum pedal caps, red brake calipers, and contrast stitching.
With the First Edition out of the picture, the Mustang Mach-E lineup consists of four trim levels named Select, Premium, California Route 1, and GT. Pricing ranges from $43,895 for the entry-level Select to $60,500 for the flagship GT before incentives and destination. Deliveries of the First Edition will begin in late 2020, and the GT will be available in the spring of 2021. . . .
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/12/30/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-pre-order-stats-facts/2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E buyers want range and all-wheel drive
Ford releases stats on Mustang Mach-E pre-orders
. . . Overwhelmingly, buyers want the most range possible. Ford says 80% of buyers are ordering their Mach-Es with the extended-range battery pack that provides an estimated 300 miles of range with rear-wheel drive and 270 miles with all-wheel drive. By a slimmer majority, just 55%, people are willing to sacrifice those 30 miles of range for all-wheel traction. The Mach-E is also proving to be popular among Californians; Ford says more than 25% of pre-orders are coming from the Sunshine State.
Ford even provided details on which colors are proving to be popular. While the color pallet for the Mach-E consists mostly of shades of gray, two of the top three colors are, well, colors. In third place is Rapid Red Metallic at 27% — it's worth noting that this red shade includes a $400 upcharge. In second place is Grabber Blue at 35%, which we know for sure is available on the First Edition and the GT Performance Package, but it's unclear whether it will be available on other trims. With its more limited availability, it must be popular among First Edition and GT buyers to reach that percentage. And just for reference, 30% of Mach-E pre-orders are for the GT trim. Just beating out Grabber Blue is Carbonized Gray, a no-charge color available on all trims. It's featured on 38% of current orders. . . .
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