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mikek

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I just accepted a job in Southern Germany starting in November. So, do I take the LEAF?!? What all do I need to consider (besides shipping)? How does the charger work in Germany? Will every outlet be a 220 Class II charge? Can I install seat heaters? Others?

-Mike
 
mikek said:
I just accepted a job in Southern Germany starting in November. So, do I take the LEAF?!? What all do I need to consider (besides shipping)? How does the charger work in Germany? Will every outlet be a 220 Class II charge? Can I install seat heaters? Others?

-Mike

Congratulations Mike! (Ich sprechen ein bissel Duetch.) How long do you expect to be there? If it's only a couple years, I think I would keep the Leaf here---or sell it for a good price. Not worth the hassle to transport it.
 
It's a permanent position, so if I can survive the weather (it rains occasionally there) it could be much longer... Selling it here is an option, but I really love it, so it would be fun to take it.
 
I looked at the European Nissan EVSE spec and I believe that it used a lower current when compared to Phil's upgrade (10 vs 16 amps). I've noticed that the Leaf can be switched from miles to kilometers via dash settings. This will come in handy if you will end up driving it on German roads. Aside from that, German customs and DMV tend to be bit anal, so be sure to have all your paperwork, including TPS reports. On the upside, I've heard that they waved registration and vehicle tax for EVs. These fees can be substantial for high-emission vehicles, so it really pays to have an EV there.

If you received the CVRP rebate and decided to sell the car before departing for Germany, make sure that you connected with the folks at the California Center for Sustainable Energy in San Diego. They will likely ask you to include a paragraph in your sales contract that will transfer your commitment to keep the car in California to the next owner in exchange for the prorated balance of the rebate check.

Good luck with your move, it would be nice to hear how it all worked out for you.

(Disclaimer: I grew up in Germany, in the area around Munich.)
 
mikek said:
I just accepted a job in Southern Germany starting in November. So, do I take the LEAF?!? What all do I need to consider (besides shipping)? How does the charger work in Germany? Will every outlet be a 220 Class II charge? Can I install seat heaters? Others?

-Mike

Just take it with you! ;-)

The only thing you might want to think about is how to mount the Euro plates on a Leaf. I am not sure how they can be mounted.... Google pics of how Leaf bumpers look like in Europe.
 
mxp said:
The only thing you might want to think about is how to mount the Euro plates on a Leaf. I am not sure how they can be mounted.... Google pics of how Leaf bumpers look like in Europe.

They used to allow plates in US format until recently, but I hear that it's no longer possible. There are temporary (red) plates that would fit, but they'll need to be replaced eventually.

http://www.nissanboard.de/einzelartikel_nissan_2376970_Nissan-Skyline-GT-R-33-RB-26-DETT.html#post2376970

http://www.kennzeichen-guide.de/schilder/us-army.htm
 
Speaking of the CVRP rebate ... it needs to be registered in CALIFORNIA for 3 years. I don't know if

a] selling to another CA resident fulfills that requirement.
b] continuing to pay the annual CA registration fees will work. (DMV and insurance bureaus are linked electronically.) Because I think the car needs to also have "physical presence" in CA.

So ... sorry to add to your "research workload" :(
 
Wow. Not making this any easier yet... I've spent a couple of years in southern Germany in the past so I kinda know what I'm getting myself into except for the car. I'll do some more research and post what I find out.

Are you sure that you have to stay in California for the entire 3-years? All I can find is this:

As a CVRP participant you are required to either own or lease this vehicle for a minimum period of 36-months. This vehicle may be resold or returned to the dealer within this period only if given prior approval by the California Air Resources Board (ARB). Resale of this vehicle for financial gain within the 36 months period is not allowed.

Anyone have any idea about the federal tax credit?

-Mike
 
Ten years ago my Father in law was working as a civilian for the US military in Germany and brought his Corvette with him. He didn't mention any issues with doing so, but of course things change...
 
You get the full Fed rebate even if you move and I would not worry about the CA rebate, you should be good to go as long as you can get service, just bring a wrench for the neg battery cable:)
 
Well, the move date is coming up and I'm still planning on taking the Leaf to Germany. It seems that I may be the first with a Leaf in Germany!?! I guess I'm trying to make up for not being the first here? So far, I have not had a lot of help from Nissan. Nissan North America first told me the car was exactly the same, then recommended that after I get to Germany to stop by the local Nissan dealer for information regarding charging and repairs/maintenance. My wife called the dealer in Germany and they said something to the effect that they had seen something about an electric car from Nissan on TV, and it would be cool if I stopped by and showed it to them!?! I also tried e-mailing Leaf dealers in the Netherlands, but no answer...

So, I sent my charger back to get the EVSE upgrade to 240V. Then, I also bought an NEMA L6-20R -> Schuko adapter cord. Unfortunately, I thought that if I didn't pay for the 16Amp upgrade, that it would be 240V/12A. This is not true. It is 120V/12A or 240V/16A. The apartment that I rented has a plug in the garage which is on it's own fuse that is 240V/16A. I am quite worried about needing to re-wire this condo!

So, the question is.... will I blow this fuse attempting to charge now!?!

Thanks in advance, Mike
 
ingineer gave you the $48 option for free? I think it may well work but I would want the 12a 240v version.
Or get the Europe version from the local dealer.
 
If you have the L1 EVSE with the Mod-L1 mod (adds 240v operation), it is STILL 12A for both 120v and 240v operation.

If you also have the R2 mod (16A upgrade) then it will "offer" 16A for both 120v AND 240v operation.

However, the LEAF, in normal 120v operation, when offered more than 12A, only uses 12 amps.
 
EVSE Upgrade included a paper with the charger that says ..."upgraded the unit to support a full 16 amp charge rate..."

However, on closer inspection of the actual charger, they added a sticker that says "Input Voltage Auto-Adjust 100-240VAC - 12A - 50/60Hz". So, if this is true... I'm good.

-Mike
 
EVDRIVER said:
You get the full Fed rebate even if you move and I would not worry about the CA rebate
It appears that what EVDRIVER would worry about and what I would worry about are rather different. Taking the car to Germany and keeping the rebate seems clearly illegal to me. According to the CVRP Implementation Manual, vehicle purchasor or lessee requirements include (among other things):
  • Except for vehicles purchased under the provisions of section 2.6, register the vehicle with the California DMV and operate the vehicle for a minimum of 36 consecutive months for use in California. [2.6 is for car-share or leasing companies.]
  • Notify CCSE of new address if there is an address change within the 36 month period after the date of purchase or lease.
So, what happens if you move out of state? Curiously, I don't see specific remedies for the case when you take the vehicle with you, but doing so is a violation of the requirements, so I think the following statements, which are written to apply to selling the car, would apply at a minimum:
With the exception of vehicles purchased under the special provisions in section 2.6, vehicle purchasers and lessees participating in the CVRP are required to keep the vehicle and meet all applicable project requirements for a minimum 36 month period after the vehicle purchase or lease date. If a vehicle purchaser or lessee sells or returns to the dealer the rebated vehicle, ARB or its designee reserves the right to recoup all or part of the original rebate amount from the original vehicle purchaser identified on the rebate form and may pursue other remedies available under the law.

However, resale of a vehicle or return to a dealer is allowed within this 36 month period if necessitated by unforeseen or unavoidable circumstances. To employ this provision, ARB must approve the circumstances and sale in advance. If the vehicle is resold, the vehicle purchaser or lessee must assign a prorated portion of their rebate, in an amount equivalent to the original rebate amount divided by 36 months and then multiplied by the number of months remaining in the original 36 month period (rounded to the nearest month), to the new owner or lessee of the vehicle. The new owner or lessee of the vehicle must be a CVRP eligible vehicle purchaser or lessee and agree in writing to ARB or its designee to abide by the terms and conditions of the CVRP including, but not limited to, operating and registering the vehicle in California for the remaining rebate term. If the vehicle is returned to the dealer, the same prorated portion of the rebate must be returned to the ARB or its designee.
So you've got to
  1. tell them ahead of time if you are going to move, and
  2. whether selling or taking the car, get them to approve "unforeseen or unavoidable circumstances", and
  3. pay a prorated part of the rebate either back to them or to the next owner

Ray
 
mikek said:
EVSE Upgrade included a paper with the charger that says ..."upgraded the unit to support a full 16 amp charge rate..."

However, on closer inspection of the actual charger, they added a sticker that says "Input Voltage Auto-Adjust 100-240VAC - 12A - 50/60Hz". So, if this is true... I'm good.

-Mike
Use the website to ask EVSEUpgrade about this. They should be able to tell you whether you got a 16a unit or not. I bet they'd arrange a swap for a non-R2 unit if you need one...after all you didn't order an R2.

planet4ever said:
So, what happens if you move out of state?
I'd simply email the folks at CCSE and ask. They are very easy to communicate with and will be able to answer this easily.
 
I contacted EVSE, and they confirmed that the paper is generic and it really is only 12A.

Also, I'll e-mail CCSE when I determine/confirm the move date...

-Mike
 
For the best information from a Local EV specialist (my Son) in Germany please visit his dedicated online Magazine:
http://www.wattgehtab.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You can contact him - he speaks perfectly English - and is one of the most knowledgeable people in the Field in Germany.

Ralph
 
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