dm33 said:
GRA said:
gReGsKi said:
Leaf = 100% electric, Volt does not
PHEV sales are around triple BEV sales in the U.S. right now, and that ratio will likely remain (barring perks like single-occupant HOV-lane access restricted to BEVs only) until BEVs have considerably more range than they do now.
Source? Stats I've seen on insideEVs make them fairly close in totals, certainly no where near triple. And that includes vehicles like the Toyote PiP with its 7 mile range which seems like a stretch to even call it a PHEV. If you include regular hybrids you can make the number much more skewed towards ICEs with some electric propulsion.
Based on numbers for 2014 in the US from http://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, I totaled up the counts by PHEV vs. BEV as follows,
Totaled to 29476 for PHEV, 24987 for BEV.
NIssan LEAF 12736
Model S 7400
smartED 1092
Fiat 500e 1016
Ford Focus Electric 896
Spark EV 636
Toyota Rav4 EV 546
BMW i3 347 347
Honda Fit EV 221
Mistubishi i-MiEV 97
Mercedes B-class 0
PHEVs
Prius PiP 9300
Volt 8615
Fusion Energi 6235
C-Max Energi 3928
Porsche Panamera 481
Cadillac ELR 390
Honda Accord PHV 180
I have it in a spreadsheet, but haven't found a good way to format it in a post.
I don't count cars like the Tesla, ELR and Panamera, because they are in a totally different price category where value for money aren't priorities, so I should have written 'affordable PHEVs vs. BEVs', as I usually do. I consider 'affordable' to be $40k or less MSRP, so that also excludes the RAV4, i3 and eventually the B-class; YMMV.
I also include the PiP even though I agree it's a feeble PHEV; feeble is better than none, and at least some of them are getting plugged in rather than just being bought for the HOV stickers - I know we've had members here talking about buying LEAFs for commutes as short as _one mile_ one way, and plugging in my normal commute if I were to drive instead of cycle and had somewhere to plug it in, the PiP is about $4 cheaper a year than the LEAF using the calculator here:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=17507" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Anyway, PiP digression aside, taking all that into account the numbers for June per insideevs.com come out to a ratio of 1.89:1, or 6,303:3,341 rather than the 3:1 I stated in the post you referred to, so my bad; I'll correct that. Counting only those affordable cars available nationwide (LEAF, Smart, FFE, PiP, Volt, Energis), the ratio looks like this 6,275:2,821 or 2.22:1.
BTW, you included all the i3s as BEVs, but the articles I've seen indicate that the majority sold so far in the U.S. have been the REx.
Edit: It will be interesting to how much the latest small offset crash test ratings,
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17499" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and the LEAF's Poor rating and resulting loss of 'Recommended' status by CR, as well as the passing grades by the Fords and Volt, will affect sales.