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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:51 am

That is amazing range from IEV's test at 70 mph vs. the very low EPA test rating. That blows away the 66 kWh 2020 Bolt despite it having a higher EPA range rating.

Too bad (like many Porsches), it's expensive. No thanks. And, Porsche's are money pits to maintain and repair. Funny enough, a Bolt driver who I met at free public charging (before I had a Bolt) and sometimes bump into after I let him know about the free/discounted charging on DrivetheARC told me he was getting at Taycan awhile ago. He before kept saying he was going to get an EV with the "fastest charging". This is around the time he said he'd get it and I saw him check into Plugshare, w/Taycan selected.

He mentioned to me that the Taycan only supports CarPlay and not Android Auto. He's an Android user and said because of the Taycan, he's going to have to switch to iOS. From the tidbits I've seen about Taycan like https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/ap ... he-taycan/, it seems like a very Apple-centric car. I guess Porsche is (was?) ok w/possibly driving away people who use Android.

Over 260 kW DC fast charging rate is really impressive. Maybe this is the fastest non-Tesla in terms of DC FCing in the US, so far?

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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:12 am

Does it have a heated steering wheel? ;)
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:38 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:12 am
Does it have a heated steering wheel? ;)
You can get one. :)

Holy cow, I glanced at https://www.porsche.com/usa/modelstart/ ... nge=taycan and just for the base "4S" model, there are a dizzying # of options available. Seems like Porsche doesn't believe in simplicity/offering few choices. I noticed under E-Mobility:
Included 3 Years of 30 Minute DC Charging Sessions at Electrify America Stations

With the purchase of your Taycan, the following are included with Electrify America upon activation of the Porsche Charging Service:

Unlimited 30 minute sessions of DC fast charging
Unlimited 1 hour sessions of AC charging
...
Note: Both AC and DC charging require a one hour break between sessions. The Porsche Connect App is required to start charging sessions.
No wonder I see check-ins on Plugshare on EA stations by Taycan drivers, including the Bolt driver I know. Gotta love the suspicions that a bunch of us had (DaveinOlyWA, I think too) about VW's clever move to allow the dieselgate $ to benefit themselves since VW now owns Porsche.

Interesting that they also offer a 19.2 kW OBC. Tesla doesn't even go that high on their new vehicles in the US any longer. In the US, they now max out at 48 amps.

OT, I forget where I saw the video in this posted.
Porsche Taycan Hits Two Cars In Parking Maneuver Gone Terribly Wrong
https://www.motor1.com/news/455515/pors ... ent-video/

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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:05 pm

More high end cars (Lucid, Etron, etc) have faster AC options, which I am hoping work their way down soon. 3 phase/19kWh AC charging makes for a not too painful bridge in cross country driving. A long lunch and you could have added 100 miles, easily enough to take you to the next DC charger.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:27 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:51 am
He mentioned to me that the Taycan only supports CarPlay and not Android Auto. He's an Android user and said because of the Taycan, he's going to have to switch to iOS. From the tidbits I've seen about Taycan like https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/ap ... he-taycan/, it seems like a very Apple-centric car. I guess Porsche is (was?) ok w/possibly driving away people who use Android.

Over 260 kW DC fast charging rate is really impressive. Maybe this is the fastest non-Tesla in terms of DC FCing in the US, so far?
I've been in that phone situation before. Easily solved by leaving a dedicated phone in the car.

As for the "260 kW" charging, you should know better.
Miles of range added per minute in the SoC intervals you charge the car is the metric of merit

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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:02 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:05 pm
More high end cars (Lucid, Etron, etc) have faster AC options, which I am hoping work their way down soon. 3 phase/19kWh AC charging makes for a not too painful bridge in cross country driving. A long lunch and you could have added 100 miles, easily enough to take you to the next DC charger.
You mean 19 kW charging? Having EVSEs/chargers only be able to charge 19 kWh at a time would be a problem. :)

3-phase? J1772 doesn't support 3-phase. In Europe, they use Mennekes Type 2 which does support it.

Most public j1772 charging I've seen maxes out at 30 amps, so it'd max out at 7.2 kW at 240 volts. Unfortunately, a lot of it is at 208 volts, so the max is 6.24 kW.

Tesla actually from the early Model S days offered a 2nd OBC and equipped some high end S with them for 80 amps of AC charging --> 19.2 kW. Eventually, that went away and the max was 72 amps (on S and X). Maybe a year ago or so, Tesla decided to make 48 amps the max in the US (https://www.tesla.com/support/home-char ... rd-charger) on new vehicles. I wonder if they will change their mind.

In the US, the 3 and Y never shipped with above 48 amps of OBC.

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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:14 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:27 pm
cwerdna wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:51 am
He mentioned to me that the Taycan only supports CarPlay and not Android Auto. He's an Android user and said because of the Taycan, he's going to have to switch to iOS. From the tidbits I've seen about Taycan like https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/20/ap ... he-taycan/, it seems like a very Apple-centric car. I guess Porsche is (was?) ok w/possibly driving away people who use Android.

Over 260 kW DC fast charging rate is really impressive. Maybe this is the fastest non-Tesla in terms of DC FCing in the US, so far?
I've been in that phone situation before. Easily solved by leaving a dedicated phone in the car.

As for the "260 kW" charging, you should know better.
Miles of range added per minute in the SoC intervals you charge the car is the metric of merit

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The road test range that is higher than EPA should not be taken as truth, but as a reason to do more tests and figure out why the differences exist. It is not conspiracy theory garbage; there are reproducible reasons that will end up being a YMMV

The article clearly states the reasons for the differences re the Taycan. 2 cycle (Porsche and AFAIK know everyone other than Tesla) vs. 5 cycle is responsible for about 30% difference. Then, the EPA tests everything in the default modes, while Edmunds used other options, especially Range mode and high vs. low regen.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:25 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:27 pm
As for the "260 kW" charging, you should know better.
Miles of range added per minute in the SoC intervals you charge the car is the metric of merit
Is that EPA miles or the miles you can actually drive the car?
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:31 am

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:27 pm
As for the "260 kW" charging, you should know better.
Miles of range added per minute in the SoC intervals you charge the car is the metric of merit
No, I would never look at "miles of range" added per time unit as miles aren't a unit of energy. That seems like a very Tesla-centric thing. Neither of my EVs says anything about miles of range added per time unit. I'm not aware of any other non-Tesla plug-in vehicles that express that in their UI.

The EVgo and Electrify America DC FCs and ChargePoint J1772 EVSEs I use say nothing about how many "miles" were added on their screens. EVgo's app and emails also don't say anything about miles. Ditto for EA's emails and I believe their app.

And, the "miles" added would always be wrong anyway unless your future driving exactly matched whatever (unpublished?) miles/kWh constant was being used. So, even if some other vehicles or UI's gave such a value, it's of little value to me unless I knew that constant and whether that was realistic/would match my future driving.
cwerdna wrote:
Sun Nov 22, 2020 4:02 pm
Tesla actually from the early Model S days offered a 2nd OBC and equipped some high end S with them for 80 amps of AC charging --> 19.2 kW. Eventually, that went away and the max was 72 amps (on S and X). Maybe a year ago or so, Tesla decided to make 48 amps the max in the US (https://www.tesla.com/support/home-char ... rd-charger) on new vehicles. I wonder if they will change their mind.

In the US, the 3 and Y never shipped with above 48 amps of OBC.
I found the piece about Tesla changing from 72 amps of OBC at max in the US to 48 amps: https://electrek.co/2018/11/10/tesla-mo ... e-changes/. It happened two years ago.

Also, gen 3 wall connector (https://www.tesla.com/support/home-char ... -connector) is now only 48 amps max. Previous gens were 80 amp max output on a 100 amp circuit. My work has a bunch of gen 2's and previously had two different versions of gen 1's (see bottom of https://www.tesla.com/support/home-char ... generation).

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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:06 am

cwerdna wrote:
Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:31 am
No, I would never look at "miles of range" added per time unit as miles aren't a unit of energy.
Congrats, you won the pathetic answer of the month award.

Can you really not understand the relevance of knowing how long the charging stop will take ?
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