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Re: WSJ, AutoNews: GM Shows 200 Mile Chevy Bolt Concept

Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:43 am

smkettner wrote:Looks too small for me. The electric econobox is over rated. Hopefully Tesla will get the size right.
$30,000 is after federal incentives.
Is there any info or firsthand reports on the actual size of the car? From the proportion of the rear doors this looks like it is not all that small.
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Re: WSJ, AutoNews: GM Shows 200 Mile Chevy Bolt Concept

Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:46 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:Is there any info or firsthand reports on the actual size of the car? From the proportion of the rear doors this looks like it is not all that small.
Bad angle, but here is Ms. Barra standing by it and a picture with a dude behind the wheel. Maybe just a bit smaller than the LEAF. MBZ B-class size?
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Re: WSJ, AutoNews: GM Shows 200 Mile Chevy Bolt Concept

Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:01 am

smkettner wrote:...$30,000 is after federal incentives.
WetEV wrote:..."It will sell in the low $30,000s, after government incentives"...
So, about $40k?
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Re: WSJ, AutoNews: GM Shows 200 Mile Chevy Bolt Concept

Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:04 am

^^ Ms Barra is standing in front of a different car in that pic. Although apparently orange is the "in" color this year.
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:12 am

LTLFTcomposite wrote:^^ Ms Barra is standing in front of a different car in that pic. Although apparently orange is the "in" color this year.
Ah, yes. I see that now. I didn't think they would have two cars the same color, I guess. :lol:
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Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:15 am

Now Nissan will most certainly be required to have a 160-200 mile range option for LEAF 2.0. And I hope it's just that, an option. Unlike the views many of you have expressed, my 84 mile LEAF works for 95% of my driving. About once every 5 weeks I need to drive about 180 miles round trip, so if the difference in price between a 100-mile EV and a 200 mile EV is $4,000+ as I suspect it will be, I would be way money ahead to just use our gas car for those trips over 100 miles.

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Re: WSJ, AutoNews: GM Shows 200 Mile Chevy Bolt Concept

Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:19 am

Low 30's after federal rebates, so $40k really? Got it. I am still assuming the Model 3's "mid-30's" assumes Federal incentives, so low 40's? Sounds like a pretty small advantage in the vapor wars. 200 mile range will need to be clarified, as I doubt that is EPA miles, just as the 400 km Leaf 2 comments are likely going to translate closer to 150 EPA miles than 250 vapor miles.

The pictures for the concept car are underwhelming, very Spark like, very compact. It does come has smooth wheel covers using clear plastic inserts for lower drag. I have thought about that as a what-if question for the Leaf, and quickly realized it would result in BrakeDust-Gate and leave a lasting bad impression on owners and the public. Curious how they will deal with the inevitable gunk build-up and sun yellowing, or if this is just concept car fantasy that will inevitably get dropped. Black plastic like on the Volt looks to be the better solution IMO.

Mostly I am just happy there is getting to be some serious competition in EV land. Crappy battery warranties and 80 mile range limitations won't stick around for very long as soon as there are a half dozen viable nation wide options (i.e. not just compliance cars). GM has never made my short list before, probably never will.
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Re: WSJ, AutoNews: GM Shows 200 Mile Chevy Bolt Concept

Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:26 am

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Valdemar wrote:Hopefully it'll have a Chademo port option :)
In a perfect world, yes. However GM's other EV, the Spark, uses the SAE Combo port. This one will likely be the same.
Yeah, GM won't touch Chademo. FWIW, here in SoCal the number of SAE DCQCs is growing fast. Most of the NRG sites have two pads.. one Nissan Chademo and the other seems to mostly be ABB dual Chademo/SAE (with a few BTC Power units). I talked to an installer at a Ralphs NRG site in San Pedro a few days ago setting up the site for an ABB unit. So it seems within a few months most of these sites will have 2 Chademo connectors and one SAE.
edit: Presumably if the number of SAE capable cars ever catches up with Chademo then the Nissan Chademo only chargers will be swapped out with a 2nd combo Chademo/SAE unit.
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Re: WSJ, AutoNews: GM Shows 200 Mile Chevy Bolt Concept

Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:38 am

Is it just me or does the new Volt look a lot cooler than the Bolt?
Although visibility from the inside is probably amazing...

Also they say it will support DCQC (presumably SAE) but that looks like plain old J1772...?

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Re: WSJ, AutoNews: GM Shows 200 Mile Chevy Bolt Concept

Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:43 am

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Instead of getting a straightforward compact car like the Nissan Leaf, your 30-something grand should get you a larger, more sophisticated ride like the Bolt or Tesla's Model 3.
This guys seems to think the car is a step up size-wise from the LEAF.
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