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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:49 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:50 pm
I care about 0-60 times, but having grown up in the Seventies I have some perspective. My first car (not the first one I drove - that was a V-8 Plymouth Sport Suburban wagon) was a Volvo 122S with a terrible Borg-Warner 3 speed automatic that took about 15 seconds to get the car to 60MPH. It would eventually get up to 110MPH though, and because the car handled well I would eventually pass all of my friends in their American cars who were struggling to stay on the road above 80. So anything no slower than 10 seconds is fine with me. I do like being able to blast UP hills, though! If I do manage to upgrade to an SV+ the extra HP will be fun, but my 40kwh Leaf is actually fast enough for me.

Yeah, there's a difference between 'nice to have' and 'need'. I figure any 0-60 time < 15 or maybe even 20 seconds is enough to do all routine driving , e g a traffic merge, safely - my '88 Subie was somewhere between 13-14 seconds, and while that was a bit cramping when I wanted to drive fast, I never felt the car was unsafe because of it.

So, the ca. 10 sec. 0-60 of a Prius etc. is adequate, although less is nice if it doesn't cost me in performance areas I need. My Forester's 9.6 sec., and that's never been a major impediment on the two lane mountain roads where I need to pass on short stretches. At most it might make me wait a couple of minutes for a better opportunity.

BEVs do have an advantage over naturally-aspirated ICEs at altitude in any case, as they have the same power and torque as at sea level, but much lower air resistance. My '88 Subie was a turbo, and its pedestrian performance from 115 HP at sea level rose to a much more satisfactory one in the mountains for the same reason.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:35 am

"That was great. That was awesome. Take me home." Start at 6:10 for the girlfriend's mom.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/CJr7keossT0[/youtube]

Longer review.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/5KoCB-B_gvU[/youtube]
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Sat May 16, 2020 7:57 pm

Interesting comparison of Tesla vs Porsche "sleep" modes;

https://youtu.be/OtbwqvcVd_k
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:26 pm

IEVS:
Porsche Taycan Sales In U.S. See Notable Improvement In Q2 2020

https://insideevs.com/news/431918/porsc ... s-q2-2020/

The all-electric model now accounts for one in every 15 new Porsche models.

Despite the COVID-19-related lockdown, which slowed down Porsche Taycan deliveries, the results are relatively good.

Porsche delivered a total of 12,192 new cars, which is down 20% year-over-year, but overall demand for the reportedly rebounded since April.

The all-electric Porsche Taycan, which interests us the most, saw some 818 sales, which is 6.7% of all Porsche models sold for the quarter (1 in 15 new).

Unfortunately, we don't know the sales volume of the plug-in hybrid Panamera and Cayenne, but it's already possible that well over 10% of new Porsche models sold in the U.S. are plug-ins. . . .

So far this year, Porsche has sold 1,039 Taycan (1,169 cumulatively), which is not much in the grand scheme of things, although we believe it should gradually increase to at least several thousand per year.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:38 pm

The all-electric model now accounts for one in every 15 new Porsche models.
Are they trying (but failing) to say that one of every 15 Porsche cars sold is electric...?
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:33 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:38 pm
The all-electric model now accounts for one in every 15 new Porsche models.
Are they trying (but failing) to say that one of every 15 Porsche cars sold is electric...?
While the headline could be clearer, the article leaves no doubt:

[quote]Porsche delivered a total of 12,192 new cars, which is down 20% year-over-year, but overall demand for the reportedly rebounded since April.

The all-electric Porsche Taycan, which interests us the most, saw some 818 sales, which is 6.7% of all Porsche models sold for the quarter (1 in 15 new).[/quote]

Just off the top of my head, 818/12,192 = would be around 6 2/3%.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:27 pm

A fellow Bolt driver who I met at free public L2 charging years back when I still had only Leaf mentioned to me in email that he's getting a Taycan, arriving in October, I think. Previously, he'd said something vague about getting a car w/the "fastest charging". Before COVID-19, he eventually was getting free L2 juice at his work. He mentioned he helped get the L2 EVSEs setup and installed at his work. Previously, it sounded like he was L1 charging at work.

I told him about https://drivethearc.com/ having free CCS charging and he's been taking advantage of it now. I bumped into him again earlier tonight at a DTA location. I was returning from the restroom while my Bolt was DC FCing when I saw him pull up.

He confirmed he's getting a Taycan, said it was on order and showed me some pics of the 4 LCDs inside, including 1 for the passenger. He mentioned you can get one more for the rear passengers, which he's not opting for. He told me about some goofiness for the US market like being required to take a larger battery and their $1300 EVSE, to which i replied that's such BS. Kinda crazy to blow $100+K on an EV, if you ask me. I didn't ask if he's leasing or buying. AFAIK, he owns his Bolt.

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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:22 am

lorenfb wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 7:57 pm
Interesting comparison of Tesla vs Porsche "sleep" modes;
That is one of the wonders of OTA updates and Tesla -- things can get fixed before you have time to post a video.

Vampire drain in my Tesla Model 3 LR has been high in the past but nowadays Bjorn's video is out of date. Covid-19 is a good time to measure vampire drain because my car sits unused for days at a time. My latest data using the rated range remaining displayed in km shows 4 km lost in 5 days to leave the car alone except for two wake ups via phone and two wake ups by opening the car door. A km is 147 Wh in my car. This works out to ~ 5 watts vampire drain

Left alone, the car goes into a pretty deep sleep. It takes the better part of 5 seconds to wake it up via Wi-fi using the phone app. On the other hand there is no practical delay when the car is woken up by opening a door.
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Re: Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:54 pm

ABG:
2021 Porsche Taycan gets a number of updates in second model year

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/08/19/202 ... n-updates/
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