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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:33 pm

The model that Nissan is adding, the Arriya (?), looks like a larger, CUV version of the Leaf.
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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:45 pm

GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:33 pm
I have read Nissan is adding a more like a Tesla model 3 but nothing about dropping the Leaf.
Nissan's corporate marketing department with this new strategy will further reduce Nissan's market share of the BEV market.
As mentioned before, Nissan will never be able to achieve the sales volume of the M3. Nissan will be lucky to achieve just
10% of what Tesla sells. Presently its high mark, Infiniti, sells marginally against Lexus. This new strategy is laughable!
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 76K miles, 47 Ahrs, 5.0 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=73, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 10.3K miles, SOH 109Ahrs/115Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:51 am

lorenfb wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:45 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:33 pm
I have read Nissan is adding a more like a Tesla model 3 but nothing about dropping the Leaf.
Nissan's corporate marketing department with this new strategy will further reduce Nissan's market share of the BEV market.
As mentioned before, Nissan will never be able to achieve the sales volume of the M3. Nissan will be lucky to achieve just
10% of what Tesla sells. Presently its high mark, Infiniti, sells marginally against Lexus. This new strategy is laughable!
Time will tell if Nissan's new EV strategy is laughable or if your comments on their strategy is laughable. My bet is on Nissan.

Dad taught me that NEVER was a mighty long time so I try to avoid using NEVER so I eat less crow.

The Leaf is in demand in some grey markets where Nissan has not marketed to or was slow reaching those markets and per the next article link service is available from 3rd party importers. In the USA the used grey market Yanmar tractors developed over the years and third party service and parts sources followed. Now Yanmar has set up dealerships for their new equipment so success in grey markets by third parties can be meaningful to a brand long term.

https://thedriven.io/2019/02/13/the-pr ... m-japan/
Note the comments from readers.

A 10 year head start over EV players just getting to the market gives Nissan good EV penetration world wide today. The numbers by countries are in the link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Leaf

No doubt the former CEO of Nissan turned out to be part of the problem instead a part of the solution and we will see how they recover from that speed bump that left them on rock bottom per reports.

https://www.deccanherald.com/business/ ... 75.html

The Leaf is our 6th Nissan since 1973 but the first one without an engine and gas tank. The Nissan PU served us well for 30 years and never needed brakes or exhaust repair the 140K miles we drove it. I expect the same out of the Leaf. :)

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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:29 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:51 am

The Leaf is our 6th Nissan since 1973 but the first one without an engine and gas tank. The Nissan PU served us well for 30 years and never needed brakes or exhaust repair the 140K miles we drove it. I expect the same out of the Leaf. :)
You're conflating two issues; whether Nissan makes good products in their low end of the automotive market and whether they can
compete in the high end of the BEV automotive market, e.g. with Tesla. My first Nissan, a Pathfinder, lasted 530K miles without any major
problems other than timing belts (every 60K), brakes (every 80-90K), and clutches (only two). I now have a 2012 Xterra at 60K miles
without any problems. The only costs have been oil changes & tires. My 2013 Leaf at 74K still has 10 bars & no problems, which I still
drive after recently getting my '19 Leaf (now @ 5.5K miles). So even though Nissan competes well in the lower end of the automotive
market, it's not considered by most consumers as a high end status/premium vehicle producer, again the example is the Infiniti
at its marginal sales. As a result, Nissan will find it extremely difficult to transform its image to compete with a Tesla or Audi in the
high end BEV market.
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 76K miles, 47 Ahrs, 5.0 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=73, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 10.3K miles, SOH 109Ahrs/115Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:36 am

No doubt the former CEO of Nissan turned out to be part of the problem instead a part of the solution and we will see how they recover from that speed bump that left them on rock bottom per reports.

It's a bit more complicated than that. Paging Cwerdna!
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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:06 am

I have always liked Nissan, since our first Datsun pickup, for being sturdy under-valued simple vehicles. The Leaf Plus is our first new vehicle ever, so counting on the trend to continue. Fancy don't matter (as they say), ground clearance and durability are more important. Hopefully Nissan keeps the Leaf and supports it for the likes of me....
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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:53 pm

dmacarthur wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:06 am
I have always liked Nissan, since our first Datsun pickup, for being sturdy under-valued simple vehicles. The Leaf Plus is our first new vehicle ever, so counting on the trend to continue. Fancy don't matter (as they say), ground clearance and durability are more important. Hopefully Nissan keeps the Leaf and supports it for the likes of me....
Maybe this Leaf will go into production some day.

[/url] https://www.motor1.com/news/378219/niss ... ic-motors/ [/url]

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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:25 am

That would work! although it looks as close to the ground as current models- give me more height and less power, please......
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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:39 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:53 pm
dmacarthur wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:06 am
I have always liked Nissan, since our first Datsun pickup, for being sturdy under-valued simple vehicles. The Leaf Plus is our first new vehicle ever, so counting on the trend to continue. Fancy don't matter (as they say), ground clearance and durability are more important. Hopefully Nissan keeps the Leaf and supports it for the likes of me....
Maybe this Leaf will go into production some day.

[/url] https://www.motor1.com/news/378219/niss ... ic-motors/ [/url]
We don't need a Leaf with two motors... We need Leaf +s that are readily available, and not at the $45K prices that I had seen. We need EVs that are in the hands of more people, and that are readily serviced and repaired at prices similar to ICE cars.. I couldn't care less about a 4x4 electric.

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Re: Nissan shifts EV strategy to premium vehicles, not ‘discount cars’ like Leaf

Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:29 am

$30K EV's with 300 miles of range are still a few years away I expect. EV's today are net losers for their makers it seems. Tesla reports more net loss than profits over the years.

EV's are not a commodity items today. One can get the Leaf's gas sister the Versa starting around $15K.

Today EV's are not for the budget minded vehicle buyer. We're paying a premium to help finance future transportation technologies.

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