https://electricrevs.com/2018/04/26/new ... o-support/Newly emerging photographs of Electrify America’s first new site installations appear to confirm that the first U.S. nationwide ultra-fast highway charging network will provide only minimal support for cars like the Nissan LEAF which require CHAdeMO DC charging connectors.
Thanks. A much more rational initial route plan than Tesla's. Now we'll see if they can produce.JeffN wrote:New article...
https://electricrevs.com/2018/04/26/new ... o-support/Newly emerging photographs of Electrify America’s first new site installations appear to confirm that the first U.S. nationwide ultra-fast highway charging network will provide only minimal support for cars like the Nissan LEAF which require CHAdeMO DC charging connectors.
Also, a better map of Electrify America’s initial route map is available here:
https://electricrevs.com/2018/03/10/sec ... -revealed/
Special pricing irrc was a California only thing. I also seem to remember the regular pricing after the special was also mentioned.GRA wrote:Indeed, although we'll have to see what their QC pricing is once the special ends, but they've said their prices for L2 won't change. There's also a lot more flexibility now in switching plans.WetEV wrote:EVGO has changed their pricing. Much better deal.
As nobody posted the prices, here they are plus some comparative info from the article:JeffN wrote:The first two stations are opening to the public today. Pricing is revealed along with 10 additional locations opening soon.
https://electricrevs.com/2018/05/02/ele ... o-website/
According to an operator answering Electrify America’s support number, the initial Massachusetts location will charge 30 cents per minute plus a $1 session fee. A half-hour charge would thus cost $10. Prices may vary on per-state basis although it is expected to typically be 30 to 35 cents per minute. For now, the same prices apply regardless of whether a 50 kW CHAdeMO or a higher-powered CCS cable is being used. Subscription-based pricing is being actively considered but has not yet been announced.
As a comparison, charging operator EVgo has a non-subscription price of 35 cents per minute in Massachusetts but no session fee which would be $10.50 for 30 minutes. A subscription plan is available for $9.99 per month that pre-pays that much in initial charging and lowers the fee to 21 cents per minute. After the first 47 minutes ($9.99 divided by 21 cents) of charging in a month, that would lower the 30 minute cost of charging to $6.30.
Tesla’s “pay as you go” fee at Supercharger sites in Massachusetts is 23 cents per kilowatt-hour rather than being billed per minute. Whether billing is legal on a per-kWh basis differs from state to state. Historically, only utilities have been allowed to sell electricity on a per-kWh basis but some states have updated their laws to allow it for EV charging and Massachusetts is one of those states. . . .
At a 60 kW average charge rate, a kWh is being added to a vehicle every minute so 23 cents per minute or 23 cents per kWh would be essentially the same cost to a driver.
If a future vehicle like a Jaguar I-PACE or an Audi e-tron were charging at an average rate of 90 kW at an Electrify America station with a 30 cents per-minute rate it would be adding about 1.5 kWh per minute of charging time so the per kWh price would effectively be 20 cents. That is roughly similar to what a Tesla vehicle might average at one of the Tesla Supercharger locations in Massachusetts at 23 cents per kWh.
Meanwhile, a slower charging vehicle like a Chevrolet Bolt EV might have an average charging rate of a bit under 60 kW and so it’s per-kWh price would effectively be a bit higher than 30 cents at the same Electrify America station. A Bolt EV successfully charged at the new Chicopee location today at a peak rate of 56 kW and a Kia Soul EV charged at up to 68 kW even though Electrify America had said the CHAdeMO charge cables would be software-limited to 50 kW.
Both Tesla and Electrify America have a severe “idle fee” for cars which have finished charging but have not yet been disconnected. Both charge 40 cents per minute ($24 per hour). Electrify America has a 10 minute grace period before the idle fee begins while Tesla’s fee begins accumulating immediately but is waived if the car is unplugged within the first 5 minutes. EVgo does not have an idle fee. Tesla’s idle fee does not, however, accumulate when more than half of the charging spaces at a location are empty.
Checked comments on Plugshare, and no one mentioned a limit (but it's early yet). BTW, EA's own site map is here: https://www.electrifyamerica.com/locationsGetOffYourGas wrote:Any word on whether EA imposes session time limits? EVGo infamously does, although they recently increased it from 30 minutes to 45 minutes. Even 45 minutes is a little short if you are charging a car with a large battery over a meal.