OrientExpress
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thankyouOB said:i am astounded, simply astounded, that nissan never thought people would seek to replace the battery to maintain optimum range as it degraded. i am particularly amazed because the warranty is so carefully written to exclude nissan responsibility for range loss.
klapauzius said:That assumption on the side of Nissan seems a bit out touch. What do they suggest people do (even under ideal conditions) with the car after 5 or 10 years...Throw it away and buy a new one because of the aging battery?
It seems not genuine, coming from an engineer, that age-related degradation (again, lets assume under ideal conditions) would not affect ALL cells, rather than a few. Do they seriously think, that after 10 years I can exchange a bunch of cells and the car will drive like new (range-wise)????
Jeff Kulman posted it in the Open Letter thread, grommet linked it in the SF BayLEAFs Facebook page, and OE posted cross-posted it back in MNL. Hope that's good enough forensics for youTonyWilliams said:First, I think this is a fantastic step in the right direction. We are starting the ship's turn away from the rocks. I will comment on the source of this video; why is Jeff or Chelsea not posting this? What is the source?
surfingslovak said:Jeff Kulman posted it in the Open Letter thread, grommet linked it in the SF BayLEAFs Facebook page, and OE posted cross-posted it back in MNL. Hope that's good enough forensics for youTonyWilliams said:First, I think this is a fantastic step in the right direction. We are starting the ship's turn away from the rocks. I will comment on the source of this video; why is Jeff or Chelsea not posting this? What is the source?
That said, I agree, it's great to see this video.
Ditto, Cheers! Perhaps I can start paying more attention to my real job now.TonyWilliams said:Ok, awesome. I know there were questions on the previous open letters, so nice to hear a solid source. I think I'll have a nice glass of merlot to celebrate.
Good point. I think Andy wanted to compare the predicted average outcome quoted in the manual to the average outcome in Phoenix. It would be good if there was a way to quantify the expected outcome when some of the parameters change, and mileage might be a good place to start.LEAFfan said:But he still uses those 'conditions' as excuses for battery degradation. We know of several drivers that do not fit into ANY of his conditions because they babied their packs, yet have lost two bars. I just talked to a guy (bought) yesterday who lost his first bar at 8k miles, less than one year, and then lost the second bar 1k miles later. He said he will call Nissan to report both and to get a case number. He's never QCd, drives average speeds, no top offs, etc.
TonyWilliams said:klapauzius said:That assumption on the side of Nissan seems a bit out touch. What do they suggest people do (even under ideal conditions) with the car after 5 or 10 years...Throw it away and buy a new one because of the aging battery?
It seems not genuine, coming from an engineer, that age-related degradation (again, lets assume under ideal conditions) would not affect ALL cells, rather than a few. Do they seriously think, that after 10 years I can exchange a bunch of cells and the car will drive like new (range-wise)????
Hey, he admitted they didn't foresee that. Lets move on; I truly believe they will have your battery price soon.
+1Nubo said:Could we merge this with the "open letter" thread? I don't know which to reply to.
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