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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:56 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:29 am
cwerdna wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:22 am
LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 2:16 am



Part of your problem is that you didn't actually get a Lizard battery. Your battery was replaced so soon that the Lizard pack was not yet in production. If you were lucky you got a Wolf (4/2013-2014) battery, but it's possible you got another Canary pack like your original. Did the replacement hold up any better?
Dsh probably got a lizard pack given what http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 8&p=374490 says and its date.


Well, now I'm confused. I thought the Lizard pack went into production late Summer or early Fall of 2014. How did they get them into 2015 cars for sale in...June?
Because the 2014 MY was one of the shortest in automotive history. I think that was partially due to the Lizard pack. I might be off a month, but MY 2014 started Dec 2013 and ran to June 2014.

Also since packs are batch processed and that processing time is significant, its possible late 2014's also got Lizard packs.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:32 pm

dsh wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 3:33 am
Yes, it was definitely the more heat resistant Lizard pack, which lasted about 5 years before hitting 8 capacity bars vs. 3 years for the original pack.
dsh;
Was there any "warranty" information received on your replacement pack? Was it based on a restart of both date/time and mileage for degradation; date/time for defects, or clearly stated no warranty of any type?

The only such information on my replacement was the dealer invoice => "12 months, 12,000 miles, whichever comes first".
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:46 pm

What has irked me is when there are folks suggesting that some model year '14's, esp. ones at the very end of model year '14 have "lizard" packs. They could, but AFAIK, we've never gotten any confirmation of that from Nissan and the little degradation evidence we have of those cars (IIRC) suggests they don't. The suggestion to me seems more like wishful thinking.


I think that this is what I was half-remembering last night. Hopefully it was. Sorry, Cwerdna.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:35 pm

Regarding warranty:

If Nissan replaces a battery under warranty, the warranty on the new pack is just the remainder of the original warranty. I think there is a minimum of 12 months, 12,000 miles if that is longer than the remainder of the original warranty. Replacement packs which are purchased by the owner should have new warranty equal to original warranty for that size pack, I.e. 5 years, 60,000 miles capacity and 8 years, 100,000 miles defect for 24 kWh or 8 years, 100,000 miles for 30 kWh and larger (both capacity and defect) from date/mileage of installation.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:24 pm

GerryAZ wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:35 pm
Regarding warranty:

If Nissan replaces a battery under warranty, the warranty on the new pack is just the remainder of the original warranty. I think there is a minimum of 12 months, 12,000 miles if that is longer than the remainder of the original warranty. Replacement packs which are purchased by the owner should have new warranty equal to original warranty for that size pack, I.e. 5 years, 60,000 miles capacity and 8 years, 100,000 miles defect for 24 kWh or 8 years, 100,000 miles for 30 kWh and larger (both capacity and defect) from date/mileage of installation.
This is 100% correct. I believe the 1 year warranty minimum is only for defects, not capacity. That is, if your pack is replaced 3 months before warranty expiration, the new pack will have a 1 year defects only warranty.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:51 am

Mine got a lizard batt in 2014, still at 12 bars.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:58 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:51 am
Mine got a lizard batt in 2014, still at 12 bars.
...and you live where???
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:45 am

My replacement pack was supposedly installed around 3-5 years ago (2 years in NYC,NY+? years in Houston, TX), and supposedly a lizard pack. I bought it at 87% SOH (12 bars) and over the past 6 months it's risen to 89% SOH.

1) Is it expected that level 1 charging causes the SOH to rise?
2) Is there a way to check if the pack is Lizard or Wolf?
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:28 am

My "Lizard" replacement pack shows substantial variability in amp-hours, SOH and HX with seasonal changes - that is quite repeatable. This year so far, the lowest SOH was 83.5% in March and the highest was 87.1% in late June.

The latest amp-hour chart (SOH and HX will show similar trends):
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:21 pm

gncndad wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:58 am
Oilpan4 wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:51 am
Mine got a lizard batt in 2014, still at 12 bars.
...and you live where???
I'm in new mexico. And I haven't seen more than 6 temp bars this year.
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