Calaveras
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Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:30 am

I had a 2016 Leaf S with the 24 kWh battery and not QC with 35,000 miles and 11 bars that I am sorry to see go. I tried to baby the battery by charging to 80% and parking in the shade, etc. I was hoping to get 70,000 miles before the range was not equal to my 55 mile round trip commute.
I have not received a number from the insurance yet, but expect it will be 8-9k. If I add some savings I should be able to spend $16-17,000 for a replacement.
After the Leaf, we bought a 2017 Kia Soul ev as a second car and vowed never to go back to a ICE again.
For that price a used Leaf or Soul is possible. We have enjoyed the DC fast charging on a few longer trips and will try to we get that on our next vehicle.

Any ideas for a short range commuter EV are welcome. I am willing to do a PHEV, but prefer the EV only.
2016 Leaf S bought used in 2017
2017 Soul EV bought in 2019 for spouse.
Daily commute is 55 miles round trip with a 1,900 foot elevation climb on the way home. Gold Country California

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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:05 am

I assume that price is a real issue. I suggest a 2017 Leaf S30 or un-optioned SV, but only one that still has 11 or 12 capacity bars without the BMS update. This will give you substantially more range than your S had, so you hopefully won't need another EV for at least 5 years. There do seem to be good 30kwh packs, but I still don't trust those that dropped multiple bars, even those that seem to have been 'restored' by the BMS update.
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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:47 am

I would think that, after EV rebates, you could purchase a new Chevy Bolt, if you stretch your budget just a bit.

You might be able to find a used 2017 Hyundai Ioniq BEV in your price range too, if you get lucky.
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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:49 am

alozzy wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:47 am
I would think that, after EV rebates, you could purchase a new Chevy Bolt, if you stretch your budget just a bit.

You might be able to find a used 2017 Hyundai Ioniq BEV in your price range too, if you get lucky.
The former might be a bit on the tougher side even if the OP qualified for $2000 CVRP (https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/elig ... guidelines). Would be better if they're low income to qualify for more. I don't know of the best deals, but I see https://www.criswellchevrolet.com/Vehic ... =Bolt%20EV on the other side of the country (supposedly $25,235 for a new 2020 Bolt LT w/only DC FC inlet and nothing else).

Federal tax credit on GM EVs/PHEVs is down to $1875, as well.

Finding a used Ioniq BEV might be really tough. Look at the puny numbers they sold in the US at https://insideevs.com/news/343998/month ... scorecard/ and https://insideevs.com/news/344007/month ... al-charts/. For the longest time, it (for the US) was basically So Cal only virtual vaporware.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/seattle ... 265732824/ pointed to an 11-bar '17 SV at https://www.campbellnissanofedmonds.com ... p5hc300060 for $14,950 that came from various parts of Nor Cal (https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/p ... P5HC300060). From the pics, it doesn't appear to have premium but does have CHAdeMO. (From looking at specs tab of https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... -press-kit, looks like '17 SV and SL come with CHAdeMO.)

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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:32 am

Yes, the SV comes with Chademo standard from '15 through '17.
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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:36 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:32 am
Yes, the SV comes with Chademo standard from '15 through '17.
Doesn't look like it's standard on '15 SV. See specs tab of https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... -press-kit. Does seem standard on '16 SV and '16 SL (specs tab of https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... -press-kit).

It's always been standard on '12 to '17 SL though.

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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:56 am

cwerdna wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:36 am
LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:32 am
Yes, the SV comes with Chademo standard from '15 through '17.
Doesn't look like it's standard on '15 SV. See specs tab of https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... -press-kit. Does seem standard on '16 SV and '16 SL (specs tab of https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... -press-kit).

It's always been standard on '12 to '17 SL though.
You're right. I definitely remember, though, reading an ad or web-zine teaser for the '15 Leaf that mentioned both standard 17" wheels and standard QC. I should know better than to take those things seriously...
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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:21 am

There should be some killer deals on 2019's coming soon, or if the tax rebates won't help you, then 2016 and 2017's fall in that price range,, or used 2018's if you are willing to finance a bit.

If you can wait a few months you could pick up a 2019 40 kWh as low as 25k or better depending on trim. Subtract off rebates and tax credits and you could be down around 15k for a brand new Leafy.
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Calaveras
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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:21 am

danrjones wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:21 am
There should be some killer deals on 2019's coming soon, or if the tax rebates won't help you, then 2016 and 2017's fall in that price range,, or used 2018's if you are willing to finance a bit.

If you can wait a few months you could pick up a 2019 40 kWh as low as 25k or better depending on trim. Subtract off rebates and tax credits and you could be down around 15k for a brand new Leafy.
I can wait a few months for a better deal. I do not like to rely on getting a tax credit in the future to justify a higher price that would require me to finance now, but I would do it under the scenario you describe with a new 40 kWh Leaf.

I have been dismayed at the prices for the used ~2018 Leaf, Ioniq and Bolts in Northern CA.
2016 Leaf S bought used in 2017
2017 Soul EV bought in 2019 for spouse.
Daily commute is 55 miles round trip with a 1,900 foot elevation climb on the way home. Gold Country California

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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:39 am

Calaveras wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:21 am
danrjones wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:21 am
There should be some killer deals on 2019's coming soon, or if the tax rebates won't help you, then 2016 and 2017's fall in that price range,, or used 2018's if you are willing to finance a bit.

If you can wait a few months you could pick up a 2019 40 kWh as low as 25k or better depending on trim. Subtract off rebates and tax credits and you could be down around 15k for a brand new Leafy.
I can wait a few months for a better deal. I do not like to rely on getting a tax credit in the future to justify a higher price that would require me to finance now, but I would do it under the scenario you describe with a new 40 kWh Leaf.

I have been dismayed at the prices for the used ~2018 Leaf, Ioniq and Bolts in Northern CA.
Keep in mind that carmax will move inventory and the price stays the same. So if you find a good deal that price will follow the vehicle, though you might have a fee for moving it.

Though I agree the price for a used 2018 is at the point where, if you can use and qualify for the rebates and tax credits, you do almost as well buying new. Also check the warranty - at some point Nissan made the warranty better. Not sure if it was 2018 or before that.

I simply borrow from myself and then pay back the credit so I did not finance the 7500 tax credit portion. As an example, last may I was able to get a 2018 SV with tech and weather for just about 15,540 after rebates and credits where I live. New.
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