GerryAZ
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:16 pm

To give you some baseline battery information: When I purchased my 2015, I drove to a parking lot across the street from the dealer and plugged in LEAF Spy. My initial readings were: AHr=64.38, SOH=100%, Hx=101.25%, Odometer=9, QC=1, L1/L2=4. After fully discharging and then charging on L2, the readings were: AHr=64.38, SOH=100%, Hx=100.92%, V=395.60, Gids=292, Odometer=79, QC=1, L1/L2=8 (had 3 short charges to test charging capability from portable generators during the day before the full discharge). My car was manufactured in January 2015 and purchased on February 7, 2015 so the battery was fresh from the factory when I started driving it.

Good luck with your refreshed car. The 2011's and 2012's have some features missing from later cars. The fit/finish of the LEAFs made in Japan was better than for later cars made in the USA. Also most of the body panels on them (hood, doors, hatch, etc.) were made of aluminum so they were less prone to corrosion.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
White LEAF 2019 SL Plus purchased 8/10/2019

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:26 am

EVornottoEV wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:14 pm
69800 wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:24 am

Tomorrow I pick the car up (July 19 2020) and I will plug in leaf spy before I leave the dealer. If leaf spy show anything other than perfect (since the casing of the pack show a date of 2017) Then they will have a big fight on there hands.
What does perfect on leaf spy even look like?
SOH 100%, ahr 67.20 more or less. If this pack is like the others, the GID value and ahr will wander up and down so these are approximate
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 11,333.1 mi, 93.73% SOH
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69800
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:02 am

Well it was $7500 out the door. my numbers look very good. It has only been driven 27 miles the last nite I used the L1 charger to 100% to balance the pack. The only thing ODD is the leaf spy shows 97.6% charged when fully charged. Should it not say 100% ?????????
AHr = 66.14
SOH =100%
Hx = 99.73
Gids = 279
mv min/max/avg = 3.98 3.99 4.0 with (13mv) difference

It was really nice to see 101 miles on the GOM with heat off and 96 mile heat on... But thats the gom.

The did some updates since my car has never been to the dealer. On make an obnoxious beep if the door is open.
Any one know how to turn the beep off????????????????????
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2012 SV Delivered Jan 2012
DOM 10/11 Sequence 16583
58000 miles. Aug 21 2020
Leaf Spy Pro
New Battery Aug 21 2020

GerryAZ
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:18 am

Your Leaf Spy numbers look good. I forgot about the update to add the door open beep--I remember being frustrated when my 2011 was updated. You might try going through all of the options in the service menu part of Leaf Spy. I just learned to live with the beeping (and minimize the time with the door open and car on). At least it prepared me for that beep in the newer cars! Enjoy your refreshed car--I still like the 2011/2012 versions and wish mine had not met an untimely end.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
White LEAF 2019 SL Plus purchased 8/10/2019

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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:31 pm

GerryAZ wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:18 am
Your Leaf Spy numbers look good.
I don't wish to jinx him but I wonder if the LeafSpy results are the actual pack, or represent what we see after a pack reset. He will know for sure in a couple of months.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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GerryAZ
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:20 pm

My experience with replacement battery in 2011, 2015 when new, and 2019 when new is that the AHr and SOH numbers updated each time the car was turned on. The 2019 seems to have an additional "adjustment" every 90 days (based upon manufacture date), but the previous cars tracked linearly. Therefore, he should have valid data. The numbers will likely drop a little at first and then be stable for a while since his new battery should be equal to the 2015 battery and that is how my 2015 acted. My experience with the replacement battery in the 2011 (original battery type from Japan) was that the reset yielded a high AHr number, but the number dropped to actual value by the time I got home from the dealer. The 2011 replacement battery AHr dropped each time the car was turned on, but the 2015 was stable for a while before starting a gradual decline.

Since Leaf Spy shows actual %SOC, it will never get to 100% or 0%. The dash display of %SOC on 2013 and later cars goes from 0% to 100% which represents the useable SOC range that Nissan allows.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
White LEAF 2019 SL Plus purchased 8/10/2019

SageBrush
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:18 am

69800 wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:02 am
The only thing ODD is the leaf spy shows 97.6% charged when fully charged. Should it not say 100% ?
No, that is expected.
LS reports the entire battery capacity, the Nissan meter excludes the owner unusable reserve at the top and bottom of the battery voltage curve.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:29 am

69800 wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:02 am
Well it was $7500 out the door. my numbers look very good. It has only been driven 27 miles the last nite I used the L1 charger to 100% to balance the pack. The only thing ODD is the leaf spy shows 97.6% charged when fully charged. Should it not say 100% ?????????
AHr = 66.14
SOH =100%
Hx = 99.73
Gids = 279
mv min/max/avg = 3.98 3.99 4.0 with (13mv) difference

It was really nice to see 101 miles on the GOM with heat off and 96 mile heat on... But thats the gom.

The did some updates since my car has never been to the dealer. On make an obnoxious beep if the door is open.
Any one know how to turn the beep off????????????????????
SOC should only be no more than 98% so that is perfectly normal. Your voltage is a touch lower than expected but i would consider that to be a good thing as one of things that hurt Nissan degradation is charging too full.

GIDs and ahr are a bit low but also normal for a pack that has been sitting. I would just drive it a week or so and recheck. Now that you have a fresh start, I would ignore top end balancing and determine a process to only charge to the level you need for your needs.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 11,333.1 mi, 93.73% SOH
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:52 am

GerryAZ wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:20 pm
My experience with replacement battery in 2011, 2015 when new, and 2019 when new is that the AHr and SOH numbers updated each time the car was turned on. The 2019 seems to have an additional "adjustment" every 90 days (based upon manufacture date), but the previous cars tracked linearly. Therefore, he should have valid data. The numbers will likely drop a little at first and then be stable for a while since his new battery should be equal to the 2015 battery and that is how my 2015 acted. My experience with the replacement battery in the 2011 (original battery type from Japan) was that the reset yielded a high AHr number, but the number dropped to actual value by the time I got home from the dealer. The 2011 replacement battery AHr dropped each time the car was turned on, but the 2015 was stable for a while before starting a gradual decline.

Since Leaf Spy shows actual %SOC, it will never get to 100% or 0%. The dash display of %SOC on 2013 and later cars goes from 0% to 100% which represents the useable SOC range that Nissan allows.

Interesting. Since the early pack numbers bounced up and down, it was hard to determine where the pack actually was. In reality, they should decline since there is no way the pack can regain lost capacity in any significant amount. My 2011 got GIDmeter Feb 2012 and it read the "full" 281 until summer 2012 meaning it was supposedly at 100% for nearly 18 months. I can't say I noticed any real range loss but guessing I simply don't remember.

The 2013 max'd out at 284 GIDs and 67.36 ahr and the last date I hit those numbers was August 2014 making almost 9 months at 100% and finally my 2016 lasted a few days short of 14 months and at least on paper, was the best pack I ever had. It max'd at 363 GIDs and 82.34 ahr but it was also a bit unique. On the 4th day I had it, I recorded 82.40 ahr and wondering if I simply typo'd it because unlike the previous 2, my numbers didn't bounce around at all. Brought home Nov 10, 2016, the first time either ahr or GIDs varied was July 2nd 2017 but that lasted only a day and the 2nd time the numbers varied was Nov 14th.

Some history required here. The 2016 was first to have NCTC for me (other than the freebie from the battery suit) and due to new assignments from work, I was DCing on the road every day sometimes as much as 2-3 times a day so the entire history of the vehicle, over 90% of the charge received was fast charging.

On the first dip, I was on vacation and that was the first day back after 8 days of inactivity. The 2nd dip was the annual slowdown at work which always happens just before Thanksgiving and my numbers stayed low until late December when work picked up again. During the slow period, I averaged less than 20 miles a day including several days under 10 miles per day.

Then comes the new packs where both my 2018 and 2019 was a steady slow decline with no increases and the major adjustment every 90 days. My 2019 has never increased in stats, my 2018 did increase stats on its 5th 90 day adjustment.

It would seem one increase in adjustment is the norm for everyone. For some its the 2nd or 3rd one but for most, it seems to happen on the 4th or 5th one.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 11,333.1 mi, 93.73% SOH
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back up to $7500

Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:26 pm

Ok
Now the my wife retired so no more commuting to work I will never need a full charge except for balancing. This car will last another 10 years then I will cut of the top and put it out in front of the farm as a flow pot.
Thank all who contributed to my saga.

Signing off
2012 SV Delivered Jan 2012
DOM 10/11 Sequence 16583
58000 miles. Aug 21 2020
Leaf Spy Pro
New Battery Aug 21 2020

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