Corrado5834
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back up to $7500

Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:15 pm

69800 wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:26 pm
Thank all who contributed to my saga.
Thanks to you for sharing your experience, was very useful to me, and good luck on your new journey. 8-)

gmcjetpilot
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Delivery Date: 07 Oct 2017
Leaf Number: 305601

Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:33 pm

Yep I posted another thread and just checked a month ago. $7,670 plus $600 labor = $8,270. My county charges (9.75%) sales tax. it was over $9,000.

I paid $12,000 for my 2015 SV LEAF with 20K miles just shy of 3 years ago. Why would I pay $9K for a battery. Fortuitously I have 11 bars and about +80 mile range on the guess-O-meter. It is fine for local errands and commute. It is a 2nd car so no big deal.

The resale on these are so low (espcially in my Mid-Atlantic zip code. EV driving is not a thing but BIG trucks and SUV's are/ God Bless America.

Anyway, my other car is a 2010 VW TDI (turbo direct injection) Diesel JSW (Jetta Sportwagan) and gets 50 MPG on the highway. Yes I had the Mod done and VW gave me $6000 on top of that plus 4 year 40K mile warranty on engine. I am happy and the VW is a keeper. I had an unexpected trip to Nashville 3 hours away (about 200 miles). I drove out and back same day on one tank with 300 miles to spare on my tank... NO EV HAS 700 MILE RANGE... The VW is not made for short trips... so when it is time to go somewhere, the VW is my ride. Going to the store, to work sometimes (40 mile RT) I'll take the LEAF. However the cost of owning two cars (tabs, insurance) is really not cost effective. Am I saving the planet driving a LEAF? No and no one is. The cost in energy and resources to make it, energy to charge it, and waste of short life span of battery is not a winner. We can only hope for President AOC in 2024 will throw us all into the dark ages as all petroleum is banned. Of course there will be no electricity as renewable energy can't even come close to meeting demand. I can't wait for the all electric airliners. :mrgreen:

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:36 am

gmcjetpilot wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:33 pm
Yep I posted another thread and just checked a month ago. $7,670 plus $600 labor = $8,270. My county charges (9.75%) sales tax. it was over $9,000.

I paid $12,000 for my 2015 SV LEAF with 20K miles just shy of 3 years ago. Why would I pay $9K for a battery. Fortuitously I have 11 bars and about +80 mile range on the guess-O-meter. It is fine for local errands and commute. It is a 2nd car so no big deal.

The resale on these are so low (espcially in my Mid-Atlantic zip code. EV driving is not a thing but BIG trucks and SUV's are/ God Bless America.

Anyway, my other car is a 2010 VW TDI (turbo direct injection) Diesel JSW (Jetta Sportwagan) and gets 50 MPG on the highway. Yes I had the Mod done and VW gave me $6000 on top of that plus 4 year 40K mile warranty on engine. I am happy and the VW is a keeper. I had an unexpected trip to Nashville 3 hours away (about 200 miles). I drove out and back same day on one tank with 300 miles to spare on my tank... NO EV HAS 700 MILE RANGE... The VW is not made for short trips... so when it is time to go somewhere, the VW is my ride. Going to the store, to work sometimes (40 mile RT) I'll take the LEAF. However the cost of owning two cars (tabs, insurance) is really not cost effective. Am I saving the planet driving a LEAF? No and no one is. The cost in energy and resources to make it, energy to charge it, and waste of short life span of battery is not a winner. We can only hope for President AOC in 2024 will throw us all into the dark ages as all petroleum is banned. Of course there will be no electricity as renewable energy can't even come close to meeting demand. I can't wait for the all electric airliners. :mrgreen:
Look at 3rd party battery upgrades. You can get a 62 kwh pack installed for $14 K. This makes the "why would I..." question much easier to answer
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SageBrush
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:31 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:36 am
Look at 3rd party battery upgrades. You can get a 62 kwh pack installed for $14 K.
To see just how ridiculous that price is, compare to a lightly used 62 kWh Bolt for ~ $16k. That is the entire car, not just the superior battery with TMS. Oh ... and it comes with a multi-year warranty and use of the CCS network.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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coleafrado
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:17 am

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:31 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:36 am
Look at 3rd party battery upgrades. You can get a 62 kwh pack installed for $14 K.
To see just how ridiculous that price is, compare to a lightly used 62 kWh Bolt for ~ $16k. That is the entire car, not just the superior battery with TMS. Oh ... and it comes with a multi-year warranty and use of the CCS network.
^^^^
This is basically what convinced me upgrading the battery is pointless. Also the main reason I sold the car. Opportunity cost of holding the Leaf bag is huge

DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:26 am

I agree that the price on the larger packs is too high, but guessing some of that is availability. There are not tons of them to be had. With the Bolt credits gone, I am curious to see if that arrests the decline in used Bolt credits for a while. If a 2017/18 Bolt can be had for 18K, that should push a 2018 Leaf used price to 15K or less given the range difference. It feels like they are still trying to get a bit more.

40s on the other hand, should be much more affordable, especially over time. The battery already shouldn't be more than 5-6K now, less from a salvage car. A solid 100 winter, 140-150 summer miles still could be quite useful range for many drivers.

In the end, all of our EVs are feeling more and more like LCD TVs every year, with the technological commodification driving capability change faster, and putting even more downward pressure on cars more than 2-3 years old.
2019 S Plus (97.98% SOH) & 2019 SV Plus (94.84% SOH) Both Silver
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Max Miles on 19 SV+: 242 Highway miles @ 4.5 miles/kWh

coleafrado
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:35 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:26 am
If a 2017/18 Bolt can be had for 18K, that should push a 2018 Leaf used price to 15K or less given the range difference. It feels like they are still trying to get a bit more.
You're not acknowledging SageBrush's point. A 2017 Bolt can be had for under $16k, not 18k. Many have sold between 13-14k with high-ish mileage. They are a hundred times better value than any Leaf. Even a 2020 Bolt Premier at $35k OTD is a better value than the highest end Leaf at 26k or whatever.

2018 Leafs can't get devalued below $10k soon enough.

goldbrick
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:40 am

I wouldn't say a Bolt is hundred times better for those who don't QC and prefer a more comfortable car.

SageBrush
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:57 am

coleafrado wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:35 am
2018 Leafs can't get devalued below $10k soon enough.
That sounds about right to me, and then where does it leave the 3rd party battery replacement industry for early LEAFs ?

Not in a good place.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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SageBrush
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Re: 24 kWh Battery replacement cost back down to $5500

Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:03 am

goldbrick wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:40 am
I wouldn't say a Bolt is hundred times better for those who don't QC and prefer a more comfortable car.
'A 100x better value' is an exaggeration to be sure but it is not just CCS, it is also a battery with TMS. Those are car defining differences.

As for comfort -- ymmv. I was thinking about inviting my wife to go check out a Gen1 Bolt to hear what she thought about its ergonomics. She is the stereotypical practical woman and has no preconceptions from reading car forums. Then I sat down with a spreadsheet and realized that I might as well let her run our 2013 LEAF until it no longer makes the run into the city and back*. No trades, no battery swaps. I am going to revisit this question in a few months after the new Gen Bolt is released since I expect it to exert price pressure on the DC fast charge hobbled 50 kW Gen1 Bolts

*That is the advantage and the curse of buying a fully depreciated LEAF -- best to keep it until the junk yard calls. :P
It also helps that my wife wants a car that is a reliable appliance that can be ignored. For her a car change is just unwanted stress.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

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