GaleHawkins
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Understanding How To Use Leaf Spy Pro error codes

Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:35 am

Recently picked up this 2015 Leaf SV from a salvage auction. The dash shot is all of the info I have. We want to get it up so we can get LSP data from the battery and be able to get it out of Park. The car is in mint condition body wise and would use it if we can get it booting up.

Here is the screenshot from my Leafspypro DTCs on my 2015 Leaf SV with 27k mi. only dash readout is the odometer, same for LSP. SoC, SoH bars are missing on the dash. LSP says 8 DC charges and 1124 L1/L2 charges

DTCs https://imgur.com/a/hslwEMj

Dash https://imgur.com/a/NUbzJdB

goldbrick
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Re: Understanding How To Use Leaf Spy Pro error codes

Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:16 pm

Have you tried clearing all the codes with LSP? And disconnecting/reconnecting the 12V battery?

It sure looks like the car is having major CAN communications issues. Any damage anywhere or missing/broken/burned wires visible?

Most importanty, do you have any history on the car? Why was it junked if the body is mint?

ydrape
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Re: Understanding How To Use Leaf Spy Pro error codes

Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:26 pm

A good start would be to search for each DTC in the Factory Service Manuals. Not easy, but very informative.

First one I looked at: B2192
The ID verification results between BCM and VCM are NG. Means Intelligent key not recognised. Check that the vehicle can be set to READY using registered Intelligent Key.

So many DTC, it's like doing a puzzle to fix the car.

https://www.nicoclub.com/service-manual?fsm=Leaf/2015
2015 SL Leaf made 03/2015
purchased used May 2017; 12/12 bars
Sts Bat: aHR = 58, SOH = 93% Hx = 89%

GaleHawkins
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Re: Understanding How To Use Leaf Spy Pro error codes

Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:39 pm

Codes were cleared then this set of codes were found.

We have no history as to what happened to the car.

Thanks for any assistance. If we can get it figured out and the traction battery is fair we we will drive it and find another parts car after winter to rebuild the 2016 SL.

GerryAZ
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Re: Understanding How To Use Leaf Spy Pro error codes

Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:09 pm

I am not sure what I am doing wrong, but I cannot view the images you posted to imgur. I saw the Leaf Spy DTC list image once, but could not see the other image. Then I could not see the DTC image when I tried to go back and look at it in more detail. It is clear from my brief look at the DTC's that there is a major issue with CAN Bus communication which is preventing the various modules from communicating. It is a guess as to where to begin troubleshooting without knowing history of the car. Is there any sign of water (flood) damage? If not, I would try disconnecting the intelligent brake controller (master cylinder) connector since it is a 2015 and there were a few issues with those modules. After disconnecting a module, try clearing DTC's then disconnect/reconnect the 12V battery, clear DTC's again, and see if car will boot. You could step through disconnecting one module at a time and try this process each time if you want to go through that much effort. Since you say the body is mint, I am suspicious that the car failed and basic troubleshooting was either unsuccessful or pointed to repairs in excess of the value of the car.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
White LEAF 2019 SL Plus purchased 8/10/2019

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Re: Understanding How To Use Leaf Spy Pro error codes

Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:27 pm

What is the voltage of the starter battery when OFF and during START?

i would suspect that the main pack is totally drained, but it could be a weak aux battery causing spurious readings.

GaleHawkins
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Re: Understanding How To Use Leaf Spy Pro error codes

Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:45 am

nlspace wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:27 pm
What is the voltage of the starter battery when OFF and during START?

i would suspect that the main pack is totally drained, but it could be a weak aux battery causing spurious readings.
None of the 3 charge level dash lights every burn so the traction may be totally drained but we still have to learn and understand if they can even burn with all of the other codes. We started with the new Diehard Gold at 12.8v and soon it was reading 12.08v.

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Re: Understanding How To Use Leaf Spy Pro error codes

Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:14 am

GerryAZ wrote:
Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:09 pm
I am not sure what I am doing wrong, but I cannot view the images you posted to imgur. I saw the Leaf Spy DTC list image once, but could not see the other image. Then I could not see the DTC image when I tried to go back and look at it in more detail. It is clear from my brief look at the DTC's that there is a major issue with CAN Bus communication which is preventing the various modules from communicating. It is a guess as to where to begin troubleshooting without knowing history of the car. Is there any sign of water (flood) damage? If not, I would try disconnecting the intelligent brake controller (master cylinder) connector since it is a 2015 and there were a few issues with those modules. After disconnecting a module, try clearing DTC's then disconnect/reconnect the 12V battery, clear DTC's again, and see if car will boot. You could step through disconnecting one module at a time and try this process each time if you want to go through that much effort. Since you say the body is mint, I am suspicious that the car failed and basic troubleshooting was either unsuccessful or pointed to repairs in excess of the value of the car.
Thanks for pointing out a good starting point based on the LSP error list. There is no sign of flood damage. According to the IAA windshield auction sticker which I removed and saved before we cleaned up the car Erie Ins - Silver Spring MD was the adjusting agent. Date of Loss was 09/03/2020 and Loss Type was listed as Other which makes sense because there is no visible damage period. Date of Loss just means when the claim was filed most likely so the car could have been disabled for a long before. Brown's Fairfax Nissan Fairfax VA was the seller when new.

My early objective is to learn the SOH of the traction battery and was going to try to DC charge it at Walmart the other day but due to Christmas shopping there was not room to pull along side of the charger. I am not sure it will even DC charge with all of the errors. The 120v cable would not start charging and the fault light comes on.

I would have pulled the cable at the master cylinder this morning after I dropped the wife off at work but the 17F temperature discouraged me plus the son had a Christmas breakfast with in-laws. I got our 2016 SL in Oct 2019 to take the wife to work (30 miles each round trip) after breaking her hip due to getting bumped in the horse lot. Mornings like today I am really missing the Leaf heat pump system.

Another reason I got the 2016 SL was to teach the kids about EV ownership. I turn 70 in two months and the kids are 23. Teaching trouble shooting to son is important to me. We got the new 40 kWh battery in Feb 2020 and the son and I pulled an all nighter driving to DC and back none stop. Well we did get 2 hours of sleep waiting for IAA yard to open Monday morning. When I was driving on the way back he was googling about what could be wrong. He had already been reading the 2015 Nissan shop manual.

If it is the dangerous 2013-2015 brake issue that can cost $1000's to properly fix we still have a quality parts car to fix up our totaled 2016 SL because we need seat belt retractors and front air bags as well as windshield and everything forward of the motor. A 2006 Toyota van shoot a red light shearing 18" off the nose of our Leaf after our car impacted its right rear door. The van was rolled on to its top and slid for at least 100 feet in a 35 MPH zone. The daughter and wife were just taking off after the light turned green when the impact occurred.

Hopefully we will be able to figure out how to get this car in neural and check out the battery soon. I have always wanted to tear down a Leaf battery.

GerryAZ
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Re: Understanding How To Use Leaf Spy Pro error codes

Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:55 pm

I was able to open the images on my iPad. The image of the dash is consistent with all of the CAN Bus communication errors--the combination meter (dash display) does not know what to display. The DTC list from Leaf Spy is full of communication errors so it is likely all related to CAN Bus communication. I just suggested to try disconnecting the intelligent brake controller because it is a rare, but known issue on 2015--there is nothing in the DTC list to suggest that it is truly failed. I think you will need to get beyond the lock mode and ID discord errors before you can go very far troubleshooting (B2192, B2604, P1610, and P1611 in your Leaf Spy DTC list). Since the 12V battery is being discharged whenever you have anything powered, I suggest you connect an external charger to keep its voltage up to 13 or so while you are troubleshooting.

Your description of the car is interesting--insurance payout would normally be related to collision or comprehensive coverage and not mechanical or electrical failure. Perhaps the car was stolen, run completely dead, and then recovered. Another possibility, although unlikely, is a severe power surge during charging caused by nearby lightning strike (act of nature as far as insurance is concerned). I doubt that you can get it to accept any charge (L1/L2 or DCQC) without getting enough CAN Bus communication functional for the LBC (lithium battery controller inside the battery case) to communicate with the onboard charger and VCM (vehicle control module).

Can you search for service history using the VIN to get any clues (maybe even call the original selling dealer)? Also, there were a few times when I had to clear DTC's caused by public charger communication issues before being able to charge my 2015 at another station (either L2 or DCQC) so I will reiterate that the communication issues probably need to be solved before it will charge.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
White LEAF 2019 SL Plus purchased 8/10/2019

GaleHawkins
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Re: Understanding How To Use Leaf Spy Pro error codes

Fri Dec 25, 2020 8:27 pm

GerryAZ wrote:
Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:55 pm
I was able to open the images on my iPad. The image of the dash is consistent with all of the CAN Bus communication errors--the combination meter (dash display) does not know what to display. The DTC list from Leaf Spy is full of communication errors so it is likely all related to CAN Bus communication. I just suggested to try disconnecting the intelligent brake controller because it is a rare, but known issue on 2015--there is nothing in the DTC list to suggest that it is truly failed. I think you will need to get beyond the lock mode and ID discord errors before you can go very far troubleshooting (B2192, B2604, P1610, and P1611 in your Leaf Spy DTC list). Since the 12V battery is being discharged whenever you have anything powered, I suggest you connect an external charger to keep its voltage up to 13 or so while you are troubleshooting.

Your description of the car is interesting--insurance payout would normally be related to collision or comprehensive coverage and not mechanical or electrical failure. Perhaps the car was stolen, run completely dead, and then recovered. Another possibility, although unlikely, is a severe power surge during charging caused by nearby lightning strike (act of nature as far as insurance is concerned). I doubt that you can get it to accept any charge (L1/L2 or DCQC) without getting enough CAN Bus communication functional for the LBC (lithium battery controller inside the battery case) to communicate with the onboard charger and VCM (vehicle control module).

Can you search for service history using the VIN to get any clues (maybe even call the original selling dealer)? Also, there were a few times when I had to clear DTC's caused by public charger communication issues before being able to charge my 2015 at another station (either L2 or DCQC) so I will reiterate that the communication issues probably need to be solved before it will charge.
Gerry thanks so much for your continued quality input. The daily high temperatures should be above freezing in a couple days so we can get back to stepping through these issues. In the cold yesterday we did get it transferred from the U-Haul car trailer to our 22' tilt equipment trailer by getting a pair of wheel dollies from Harbor Freight for the front wheels. My son has looked at how to get 12v across gear box lock so it will release so we can roll it around but has not found a simple way.

After the holidays I will check with dealership and a national Leaf rep. Based on prices I have seen in web accounts these kinds of things are very expensive and the reason the car was in a salvage auction. IAA is a good source for parts cars but are not cheap. I need to get where I can get some battery data and if it happens to be OK I can recover some of my money. As I noted this job is giving me a chance to work my my son who is 46 years younger than I am. If we master Leaf trouble shooting it will be helpful down the road working on our 2016 SL. I will let you know when we test with the master cylinder wiring disconnected.

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