ShayeraHol
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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:21 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:08 pm
Ioniq Electric falls short of your range criteria and it's n/a in your state anyway.
https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?act ... 0&id=42191

Given the small quantities of HyunKia EVs sold in the US, I suspect inventory is small and thus you might not be able to get a great deal. But, they still have the full tax credit.

I don't know where in TX you are, but I picked a random McAllen zip code and came up with https://www.kia.com/us/en/inventory/res ... &year=2019. Seems like the closest is in San Antonio.
I know this might sound stupid so I apologize in advance, but do you think it might be cheaper if I just tried to get a new battery?
I read on here that it cost 5,000 for a new battery but I was thinking that might be cheaper than financing another car.
Maybe they can offer me it a discount on it since I only have it for two years and down to 10 bars?

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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:27 pm

Unfortunately, the cost of a new battery is up to $8000+.

Given your Hot climate, your best bet is probably the Bolt. It has the range you need, it has a thermally managed battery, and while more crude than the Leaf in ride and comfort, it has decent cargo space with the rear seats folded. Make sure that you try the front seats first, especially in a '17 or '18 Bolt.
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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:54 pm

Leftie's right on the price. I doubt there'd be any sort of battery discount. If so, this would've been the first I've heard of ever since the YMMV goodwill program went away then Nissan raised the prices significantly.

I agree about Bolt's front seats. They suck on the '17. They still suck on my '19. The back seats are oddly, ok. I've sat in them on another Bolt being used as an Uber/Lyft for maybe an hour. I've also sat in the back of mine for over an hour while working on my laptop while charging. Was fine.

At https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=564799#p564799, I posted about getting a front seat cover that has downsides (body pivoting too much). I still use it, FWIW.

Apologies about not being able to post more about Bolt. Been busy and real tired. Slept over 10 hours last night. OP can just skim for my posts in the Bolt thread starting at viewtopic.php?p=546542#p546542.

I noticed OP said "I'm looking to buying a new leaf before next fall." By that point, unless the Federal tax credit is revised/there's a new law, no GM EVs/PHEVs will be eligible for that tax credit after 3/31/2020 (https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml). It will be interesting to see Bolt resale value. Will there be a flood on the used market of '17 Bolts coming off lease? AFAIK, GM was only doing 3 year leases back then. 1st Bolts were sold in mid-Dec 2016.

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ShayeraHol
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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:09 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:27 pm
Unfortunately, the cost of a new battery is up to $8000+.

Given your Hot climate, your best bet is probably the Bolt. It has the range you need, it has a thermally managed battery, and while more crude than the Leaf in ride and comfort, it has decent cargo space with the rear seats folded. Make sure that you try the front seats first, especially in a '17 or '18 Bolt.

Thanks for all the advice you given me! During the past week's I looked at Chevy bolts and even volts due to their superior battery for hot climates. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any in my price range.

However, I have started to look at ford C-Max and I like them alot! Do you know anything about them and their reliability?

A dealer told me it cost alot to replace the battery for hybrids like the prius (out or my range) and C-Max.

I've looked online and haven't really heard anything bad about the main battery only the 12 volt battery.

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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:21 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:54 pm
Leftie's right on the price. I doubt there'd be any sort of battery discount. If so, this would've been the first I've heard of ever since the YMMV goodwill program went away then Nissan raised the prices significantly.

I agree about Bolt's front seats. They suck on the '17. They still suck on my '19. The back seats are oddly, ok. I've sat in them on another Bolt being used as an Uber/Lyft for maybe an hour. I've also sat in the back of mine for over an hour while working on my laptop while charging. Was fine.

At https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=564799#p564799, I posted about getting a front seat cover that has downsides (body pivoting too much). I still use it, FWIW.

Apologies about not being able to post more about Bolt. Been busy and real tired. Slept over 10 hours last night. OP can just skim for my posts in the Bolt thread starting at viewtopic.php?p=546542#p546542.

I noticed OP said "I'm looking to buying a new leaf before next fall." By that point, unless the Federal tax credit is revised/there's a new law, no GM EVs/PHEVs will be eligible for that tax credit after 3/31/2020 (https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml). It will be interesting to see Bolt resale value. Will there be a flood on the used market of '17 Bolts coming off lease? AFAIK, GM was only doing 3 year leases back then. 1st Bolts were sold in mid-Dec 2016.

No problem! I appreciate all the advice you've been able to give me so far!

For the past few weeks I have been looking at Chevy Bolts and Volt but they're out of my price range unfortunately.

I know this is a ev forum but i wanted to ask if you know anything about the Ford C-Max hybrid? I seen some in my price range but I'm concerned about the main battery. I know they're being discontinued but it's best hybrid I found in my price range.

The dealer told me it's pricey to replace the battery for hybrids like the prius (out of price range) and C-Max. I looked around but didn't really find anything about the main battery.

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Re: Trading in a old leaf for the new 2019 leaf?

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:30 pm

ShayeraHol wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:21 pm
I know this is a ev forum but i wanted to ask if you know anything about the Ford C-Max hybrid? I seen some in my price range but I'm concerned about the main battery. I know they're being discontinued but it's best hybrid I found in my price range.
Are you asking about the C-Max Hybrid (a non-plugin hybrid) or the C-Max Energi (plug-in hybrid)?

Both are discontinued: https://www.ford.com/cars/c-max/.

C-Max Energi (IIRC) at the beginning started off with a horrible reliability rating in Consumer Reports. I would check Consumer Reports. These aren't vehicle I follow.

Side note: Long ago, it was puzzling how the C-Max Hybrid could get such great FE results at the time vs. the Prius v wagon that had less horsepower. Turns out, Ford needed to adjust FE ratings downward of the C-Max Hybrid and some others at least twice: https://www.autoblog.com/2013/08/19/for ... pg-number/.

Before the revisions downward, http://www.cleanmpg.com/community/index ... ads/46762/ did their own tests and also found the C-Max hybrid doing worse than the Prius v wagon which had lower EPA mpg ratings.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do ... 0&id=33324 now shows 40 mpg combined for the C-Max Hybrid instead of the original "47 mpg" (that had to be revised downward at least twice).

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