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Re: New Nissan LEAF Survey

Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:32 pm

DanCar wrote:Given that there hasn't been significant battery loss reported in 2013 cars.
There's someone in Arizona with a '13 already showing a good amount of loss in his - LEAFfan.


He got his '13 LEAF in Feb 2013.

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Re: New Nissan LEAF Survey

Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:02 pm

drees wrote:
DanCar wrote:Given that there hasn't been significant battery loss reported in 2013 cars.
There's someone in Arizona with a '13 already showing a good amount of loss in his - LEAFfan.


He got his '13 LEAF in Feb 2013.
Thanks! Been looking out for that info for sometime.
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Re: New Nissan LEAF Survey

Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:04 pm

Of course that is one of the first '13s, so its possible that later cars have slightly different packs (perhaps coinciding with the low GID readings off the lot?)

Impossible to say at this point.

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Re: New Nissan LEAF Survey

Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:26 pm

evnow wrote:I didn't get the survey !
But $5k for doubling the range is very encouraging.
So, in 2017 we may be looking at
- $30k Leaf w/ 150 mile range vs
- $40k Model E w/ 200 mile range
What would you pick ?
Still have not received the survey, but I agree that 5,000 for doubling the range is the way to stay in the ballgame.

They really need to do this sooner than 2017 or Tesla is going to own this entire market when the Model E hits production.

A Tesla at 40k would be my choice.
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Re: New Nissan LEAF Survey

Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:52 pm

KJD wrote:They really need to do this sooner than 2017 or Tesla is going to own this entire market when the Model E hits production.

A Tesla at 40k would be my choice.
For me it depends on a combination of range, price and efficiency. One of the reasons I wouldn't want a model S is how inefficient it is compared to the Leaf.
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Re: New Nissan LEAF Survey

Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:40 pm

adric22 wrote:Which is sort of irritating. Personally, I'd like to see a large distribution of L2 stations with maybe a 10 to 1 ratio of L2 to L3. My reasoning has always been that I'd rather see L2 stations in every parking lot, which are much cheaper to install, than have a few L3 stations scattered around the area.
Really? I never use L2 away from home, and still wouldn't even bother if they were in every parking lot. 70 miles is plenty to drive anywhere in the city and there's no way I'm waiting 3 hours next to the freeway when I need to take a trip. L3 chargers placed every 30 miles along major freeways is actually not that expensive and means you can drive _anywhere_.

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Re: New Nissan LEAF Survey

Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:28 am

adric22 wrote:Just finished the survey. Yes, I noticed they were very clear about the 150 EPA rated miles in many of the questions.

One thing I found difficult to answer about the charging was they did not make a distinction between level-2 charging and DC fast charging. They just asked "how long would you expect it to take" As such, I answered most of those with the presumption that I'm charging on Level-2.
Ditto on the 150 EPA miles.

As for your latter point, yes, that was also VERY confusing for me. I don't exactly know if they're referring to DC FC or L2 w/those. I also answered assuming L2 (~30+ amps @ 208/240 volts) for all of them except Nissan/Infiniti dealer. I at least have a basis of comparison since I have the 6 kW OBC and use EVSEs capable of that.

They should've broken it out about L2 vs. DC FC.

(Haven't had time to read all the responses to this thread yet.)
braineo wrote:L2 are useless, L1 are better for 8 hour parking at work and much cheaper. DCQC Chademo are game changers for a metro area. 20 minute for 80% charging can't be beat.
I disagree about L2 being useless. It's not very useful w/a 3.3 kW OBC for topping off or gaining some range unless you're parked for a long time, as it's so slow. Yes, workplaces should have a mix of L1s and L2s.

I use (free) L2 at work and it's plenty fast for me in most cases (short commute).

I've sometimes used some free L2s at http://www.plugshare.com/?location=7989" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; while either on the way home (I'll stop and read emails or surf the net on my phones) or I'll charge there and walk over to the Chipotle to eat. I'd only do that if I'm not going working in the next day or if for some reason, I don't have enough juice to make it to work the next day (e.g. long side trip after work). 6 kW OBC rocks!

As for CHAdeMO and DC FCing, well, yeah, if you regularly take trips where it'd help and you can find a reliable and available DC FC along the way. I've used my CHAdeMO port a whopping 1 time in the 6 months I've had my Leaf and it wasn't a great experience (already posted about it). And, the the DC FC at the closest dealer to me (same place I'd gone where I'd used their DC FC) has been down for weeks. I could use one at say Boardwalk Nissan if I went up to SF, but I've heard of lines of 5-7 Leafs long!

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Re: New Nissan LEAF Survey

Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:25 am

pkulak wrote:L3 chargers placed every 30 miles along major freeways is actually not that expensive and means you can drive _anywhere_.
30 miles apart is too far. Really half that distance is better if you wish to optimize travel speeds since you want to arrive at a station near LBW and charge to 70-80% to maximize amount of energy drawn over time. With stations spaced at 30 mile intervals, that doesn't allow for much optimization. Plus, redundancy is needed, anyway. Really difficult to rely on a single QC station to keep you on schedule and from getting stranded.

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Re: New Nissan LEAF Survey

Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:15 pm

pkulak wrote:Really? I never use L2 away from home, and still wouldn't even bother if they were in every parking lot. 70 miles is plenty to drive anywhere in the city and there's no way I'm waiting 3 hours next to the freeway when I need to take a trip. L3 chargers placed every 30 miles along major freeways is actually not that expensive and means you can drive _anywhere_.
That's fine for you but if my winter range is 60 miles and I need to make a 65 mile trip, some L2 stations would be the difference between making it or not. The idea that unless one can charge for hours L2 is not useful is nonsense: it depends on how much charge one needs to make it home.

I've noticed that the people who dismiss L2 charge stations as useless seem to have lots of them around. I have none: zero, zip, nada. To make my grocery runs next winter I may have to persuade a local RV park to let me charge on 240 V at a reasonable price. It would be so much easier to just plug into an L2 charge station for a half hour or so.

So, fight all you want about the utility of DCFC. For very large swathes of the country DCFC doesn't exist and it is exceedingly unlikely that it will for the foreseeable future (which is why I bought an SV without a QC port). The real solution for longer distance travel is the Tesla model: longer on-board range and a more limited network of superchargers. For local driving L2 can be the difference between taking the LEAF or taking the ICE car, as the battery degrades.
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Re: New Nissan LEAF Survey

Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:23 pm

i agree with cwerdna.
the survey lacked any subtlety in choices in many areas.
i mean how do you answer what you rate charging availability at a restaurant (or any other establishment), when the decision is totally based on whether it is 10 miles from your home or more than 30?
every choice ran afoul of that and you could not add any qualifiers.
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