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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:01 pm

fotajoye wrote:<snip>
Additionally, I will be very surprised if the Republican Congress extends EV purchase incentives; I hope I'm wrong; but, I don't hold out much hope or trust politicians that is so dependent on the hydrocarbons industries for campaign contributions.
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Not an issue until 2017 at the earliest, as any repeal of the current legislation would be vetoed, and by 2017 some of the companies (Nissan, GM, possibly Tesla) may be reaching the 200k limit where the subsidies begin to sunset. By that point we should have at least some BEVs with ~200 miles EPA range that sell for around the mid to upper $30k mark without subsidy, and/or 150 miles EPA @ $30k ditto, so the cars should be able to stand on their own. Of course, if gas prices stay low until then that may not be the case.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:03 pm

GRA wrote:
fotajoye wrote:<snip>
Additionally, I will be very surprised if the Republican Congress extends EV purchase incentives; I hope I'm wrong; but, I don't hold out much hope or trust politicians that is so dependent on the hydrocarbons industries for campaign contributions.
<snip>
Not an issue until 2017 at the earliest, as any repeal of the current legislation would be vetoed, and by 2017 some of the companies (Nissan, GM, possibly Tesla) may be reaching the 200k limit where the subsidies begin to sunset. By that point we should have at least some BEVs with ~200 miles EPA range that sell for around the mid to upper $30k mark without subsidy, and/or 150 miles EPA @ $30k ditto, so the cars should be able to stand on their own. Of course, if gas prices stay low until then that may not be the case.
I hope it all works that way; but, it would be even better if the Cream Puffs we call Democrats could keep it going. Time is avancing and hydrocarbons are polluting the World at an ever increasing rate. Speeding up the transition to EVs and renewables is the best offset we have presently.

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:44 pm

I leased a 2012 SL and the lease is up in early June 2015.
When I spoke to the dealer I leased from, I told him I was looking for a 200 mile per charge car like the Chevy Bolt or Tesla Model 3.
He said that my timing was good and to hold on making any decisions now. He said they just saw a video of the next gen leaf and it would have a range around 200 miles per charge.
He did not commit to the release date, only that "my timing was good".
Time will tell...

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:17 pm

Rule 1 through 100: Do not ever, under any circumstances, without exception, believe anything that a dealer tells you along any lines such as those!
dstar58 wrote:He said that my timing was good and to hold on making any decisions now. He said they just saw a video of the next gen leaf and it would have a range around 200 miles per charge.
He did not commit to the release date, only that "my timing was good".
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:15 am

claude274 wrote:So what an interested buyer should do? Buy now and profit from incentives or wait two years but not being sure incentives will still be there?
I was recently facing the same question, and I decided to buy now. I did this primarily to take advantage of the $10,000 tax credit ($7,500 federal + $2,500 State of California), that will (likely) be disappearing in the next few years. The question, for both you and me: Is the advantage of a, say, 150-mile range in 2017 or 2018 worth paying an extra $7,500 at that time?

Additionally, I am now using about 70-80% less gasoline while only adding 10% to my electric bill, so the economics are working out nicely for us. I also suspect that our maintenance and repair costs will drop substantially, too, but I don't have enough data to support this hope, yet.

I have a 36-mile round trip commute, with free level-1 charging at work, so my 2015 Leaf could easily serve my needs for the next decade, maybe longer. (We also have ICE vehicles for longer trips, when needed.) Your situation and needs may be quite different.

Hope this is helpful.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:58 am

MartinChico wrote:
claude274 wrote:So what an interested buyer should do? Buy now and profit from incentives or wait two years but not being sure incentives will still be there?
I was recently facing the same question, and I decided to buy now. I did this primarily to take advantage of the $10,000 tax credit ($7,500 federal + $2,500 State of California), that will (likely) be disappearing in the next few years. The question, for both you and me: Is the advantage of a, say, 150-mile range in 2017 or 2018 worth paying an extra $7,500 at that time?

Additionally, I am now using about 70-80% less gasoline while only adding 10% to my electric bill, so the economics are working out nicely for us. I also suspect that our maintenance and repair costs will drop substantially, too, but I don't have enough data to support this hope, yet.

I have a 36-mile round trip commute, with free level-1 charging at work, so my 2015 Leaf could easily serve my needs for the next decade, maybe longer. (We also have ICE vehicles for longer trips, when needed.) Your situation and needs may be quite different.

Hope this is helpful.
I was in a similar boat. Nissan was offering $5000 to buy out my lease. I have a 4.5-mile round-trip commute. And I rarely drive more than 25 miles in a day. However, when I do, I drive 250+ miles (my family is all downstate or out of state). The Leaf has cut my gasoline bill in half. I figure that my current Leaf will continue to do so for at least another 10 years. I came to realize that the main appeal of a 200-mile BEV was the novelty of showing up at a family member's house in a BEV after a long journey. Most of them have never seen my Leaf since they don't visit me, and I'm not about to drive it 250 miles. And yes, a 200-mile BEV would certainly help on a handful of shorter journeys, but frankly replacing my hybrid with a PHEV or EREV would save more gasoline than replacing the 80-mile BEV with a 200-mile BEV.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:15 am

Everyone's situation is different. In my case, I have had to trade cars with my wife on a number of occasions because my travel needs for the day (I use my car for work related travel) were beyond my current range. This is especially a problem in the winter when my range is reduced to 50 miles (no heat) or 35 miles with heat.
A car that could consistently go 100+ miles would work well for us.
That's why I'm seeking a longer range car.

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:44 am

dstar58 wrote:Everyone's situation is different. In my case, I have had to trade cars with my wife on a number of occasions because my travel needs for the day (I use my car for work related travel) were beyond my current range. This is especially a problem in the winter when my range is reduced to 50 miles (no heat) or 35 miles with heat.
A car that could consistently go 100+ miles would work well for us.
That's why I'm seeking a longer range car.
We are in the same situation. My wife is a school nurse and drives to and from the schools as they call her with issues. So her day varies from 15 miles to 100+ miles, but usually in the 40 mile range which is close in winter with snow and with the heat on. A couple of times she has come to my work to swap out cars and I drive home the Leaf with a low battery warning and see she went about 50 miles. Then of course we have after school running kids places as well, if we get to charge at home (L2 with 6 kw charger) it works, but otherwise it's back to the diesel TDI.
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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:53 am

dstar58 wrote:Everyone's situation is different. ...
Indeed!

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Re: LEAF 2 : What we know so far

Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:44 pm

evnow wrote:In this thread I'll attempt to collate all known information about LEAF generation 2. By known I'm talking about information attributed to a named Nissan executive. I'll add speculative information at the bottom.

- Just after March 2017. Infiniti EV comes earlier in 2017.
- Will have a greatly increased range. 300 kms (186 miles) mentioned as competitive with FCEV Nissan's domestic rivals are developing. Infiniti EV sedan could have greater range.
- Will be a hatchback with conventional looks sporting brand’s new V Motion plunging V-shaped front fascia and the floating roof evoked by blacked-out pillars, as seen in the redesigned Rogue crossover.
- Double the range of current Gen Leaf

Sources : http://www.autonews.com/article/2014050 ... er-battery" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Speculation ...
- 150 EPA miles for $35k. Based on a survey Nissan sent.
- May have multiple battery options.
- Will be available in 2016 as a MY17 vehicle.

Sources :
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=15708" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=17768" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Hi,

I am interested in buying a leaf but was wondering if there are going to be major design changes (looks wise) for the 2016 model year that will be out this June or July. Do you have any idea about it?
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/nissan/lea ... ange-boost" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thank you!

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