society
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Re: 2013 Battery Bars half way

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:22 pm

cwerdna wrote: I'm guessing you didn't get down to 8 capacity bars before the 5 year/60K mile capacity warranty expiration?

I knew about high SoC being bad for li-ion batteries for ages. There were warnings all over the place in the '11 and '12 Leaf manual. '13 Leaf SV and SL even added an extra long-life mode toggle so you didn't have to use the timers to charge to 80% only.

On page EV-24 of the '13 Leaf manual (https://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam/N ... manual.pdf) there are all sorts of hints to not charge above 80% unless you need to. See viewtopic.php?p=498123#p498123 or the manual.

Elon for his cars used to say 80% to 30%: https://insideevs.com/news/341423/tesla ... nds-video/ (see tweets in the piece).

Is yours an S trim? If so, this came up re: a broken AC pipe: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/ ... 3-2280.pdf https://testing-public.carmd.com/Tsb/Do ... 6669/1vb31.


All very interesting, if I decide to replace the battery packs , I'll be sure to follow along with the advice. TBH - paying 8k for new batteries is a lot cheaper than paying 26k for a new car, and theres pretty much zero maintenance. It's going to be a tough decision on how to move forward. Cars dont mean much to me in life, so I'll probably end up replacing, because nothing wrong with it other wise. Maybe brakes in the next few years?

Yes its an 'S'. The AC pipe was replaced under this recall. Twice actually. So maybe this link you shared is the reason why.

Love the 80% charge feature - I didnt even know that was there, just went to go look for it. Although Elon says 90 - hmmm...

The 5 years ran out before I hit 8 bars, I think. That was three years ago, so who knows..... I've never had to be worried about these things.

Thanks again for all your input! Super Helpful.

cwerdna
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Re: 2013 Battery Bars half way

Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:39 pm

society wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:22 pm
All very interesting, if I decide to replace the battery packs , I'll be sure to follow along with the advice. TBH - paying 8k for new batteries is a lot cheaper than paying 26k for a new car, and theres pretty much zero maintenance. It's going to be a tough decision on how to move forward. Cars dont mean much to me in life, so I'll probably end up replacing, because nothing wrong with it other wise. Maybe brakes in the next few years?
Paying $8K for a battery pack means you'll still have a used car that is almost completely or is completely out of warranty. You could hit some expensive failures like the on-board charger (if it's more than a blown diode), heater or brake booster/master cylinder (viewtopic.php?t=21203). I found a pointer to more examples at viewtopic.php?p=456812#p456812.

Although not as expensive, it seems like I'm going to likely need to replace my two rear shocks: https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic. ... 34#p587134. One of them was visibly leaving oil spots in my garage.

When I took it to the dealer for the bonding plate service campaign and the stupid "required" annual battery check, they came back and told me that my rear shock back there is blown so I'd need to replace both. Service droid said he was surprised I wasn't hearing loud noises back there. He said his did that and he got them replaced.

One can get a couple year old Leafs for a lot less than $15K. I'm sure one can pick up a new 40 kWh Leaf for well under $26K after $7500 Federal tax credit, $2K CVRP (if you qualify) and $800 PG&E clean fuel rebate (https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/s ... s-faq.page). If you haven't applied for the last one on your current Leaf, may as well do so while you still have it.

Take a look at https://electrek.co/best-electric-vehicle-prices/ and subtract $7500 Federal tax credit on non-GM and non-Teslas, assuming you have at least $7500 of Federal tax liability this year.

Heck, one can get EPA range rating of 238 mile used 2017 Bolts for $17K or so: https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchres ... 1&zc=94016. At least there are still some warranties left (e.g. 8 years/100K miles on the EV bits and battery pack from original in service date).

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium (lease over)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

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Re: 2013 Battery Bars half way

Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:26 pm

I have a 2012 leaf that has a similar story. Fell below 9 bars a few weeks after the warranty expired. Nissan said tough luck. We only charged at night (air temps 65-70F). Only changed to 80%. Didn't matter to degradation. Lost another bar last year. Looked into battery replacements and the cost far exceeded the market value for the car. Now with less than 60,000 miles on the vehicle and 7 bars, hoping to get a couple more years out of the car for local commuting (functional range about 30 miles). Not optimistic thought. Just back from the Nissan dealership because of red air bag warning light. Apparently, we need to purchase a $2,600 sensor replacement if we want working air bags. Trade in value for the car is about $2,000 with functioning airbags. I think the only choice now is to drive it until an expensive but essential repair comes along, at which time we will donate to the community college auto shop.

Great on folks who have had positive experiences with the Leaf. Personally, I would never, ever, ever buy another Nissan - EV or ICE. I tell anyone who will listen to stay clear of Nissan - such better options from other manufacture of EVs. Regarding a battery replacement for your 2013, don't do it. Yes - heartbreaking to have an overall fairly new car that doesn't really belong outside of a museum. But there are expensive repairs lurking (these are not Toyota WRT reliability!). And if you get into an accident and your car + new battery is totaled (meaning damage exceeds the $2,000 trade in value), insurance will happily write you a check and then sell your battery.

Bottom line, Nissan has made it clear to me that it doesn't care one lick for the early adopters who bought their 2011 and 2012 model year Leaf cars. I know I dropped way too much money on a car that has way undelivered with regards to battery performance and on a company that has way underperformed with regards to customer service.

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