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Re: 2013 Ford Escape recalled due to fire risk

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:39 am

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OrientExpress wrote:Now here is a Feces-fire

One guy who lives in the desert that has driven his car a little bit more that once around the world in 13 months, and it still runs fine except he has to "fill-up" more often, and 30+ other desert dwellers that also have to fill-up more often than when their car was new is not.
Definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Why would you keep continuing to use this argument when nobody seems to be swayed by it. Adapt, resistance is futile... if < 1 ohm!!
you cant tell who is swayed by it. you can only see the folks who choose to post about it.
just sayin'
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Re: How should Nissan respond to dropping capacity?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:48 am

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That brings up another question: For every GID less than 281, how much should the resale price depreciate?

If I were to take a shot at this, for every 1 GID loss resale price drops by $50

And on top of that we need to factor in depreciation for mileage and condition of the car. As long as people factor in their GID count in their resale price calculations, the buyer should feel he got a fair price.
I can just see it now on the wholesale price lists ;) :

Mileage depreciation: __________
Condition depreciation: ___________

Total non-Gid depreciation: ___________

Gid depreciation: __________

Total depreciation: ___________
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Re: How should Nissan respond to dropping capacity?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:49 am

scottf200 wrote:Does a BEV battery technically/legally fall under "mechanically reconditioned". Wonder what sort of certificate or proof will be provided.
As with all manufacturer's reconditioned lease return resales, there is a clear description of all of the things that are inspected and reconditioned. I have no doubt that a lease return resale would have the same description that is specific to a BEV.
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Re: 2013 Ford Escape recalled due to fire risk

Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:03 pm

thankyouOB wrote:you cant tell who is swayed by it. you can only see the folks who choose to post about it.
just sayin'
To say it with someone else's words: "Remember it's the vocal minority, not the silent majority that affects change."Image

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Re: 2013 Ford Escape recalled due to fire risk

Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:19 pm

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Re: How should Nissan respond to dropping capacity?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:21 pm

Remember: don't feed the troll.
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Re: How should Nissan respond to dropping capacity?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:42 pm

he is not a troll, by any definition of it.
if you want to police something, go over there to the gun topic.

that said, Nissan should buy back the Leafs with degraded packs as a research and PR expense.
they need to study these batteries anyway. that is the best PR move.

Maybe, they will offer to replace packs so they can study them. But the best research move is to ask you to keep driving as part of the study. then take it back later.
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Re: How should Nissan respond to dropping capacity?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:53 pm

i think buying the cars back and selling them at a discount in WA or somewhere heat is not an issue is a great idea. this allows people who normally would not be able to afford an EV to get into one. even one with a 50 mile range would more than fill "someone's" needs and may hook them enough to eventually trade it in on a new LEAF.
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Re: 2013 Ford Escape recalled due to fire risk

Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:29 pm

OrientExpress wrote:As I have said earlier, this is an edge condition situation, and that if there is an issue, it will be found and the issue will be corrected.
I see you are suggesting that there may not be an issue. Can you explain exactly how that could be (explanation should fit already known information)? Perhaps there is a conspiracy in Phoenix by formerly dedicated Leaf owners to undermine Nissan's progress in EV? The level of battery capacity loss is normal? How do you know the issue will be "corrected"?
Their LEAF starts every time, and continues to give its owner everything its got.
No one is arguing that point. The problem here is that some Leafs have less and less to "give".

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Re: How should Nissan respond to dropping capacity?

Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:30 pm

As someone who is fortunate enough to not live in in a climate where I would be a victim of this issue, it dismays me to see basically no action on Nissan's part to alleviate owners' concerns. At the same time I am heartened to hear some positive suggestions for how Nissan should handle the issue appearing on the thread.

Given the whole Faux-news led attack on Chevy Volt 'fire' myths that are still being promulgated as facts to this day, if Nissan is really serious about EVs, they should get out ahead of the issue before it becomes viral. Personally I think a proactive message ("We've observed unexpected results in hot climates such as Arizona & Texas, so we are going to work with those owners to solve the problem.") coupled some sort of restitution for those who've lost capacity would go a long way. The restitution could be tricky, at a minimum it should be something that gets the owners what they expected from the vehicle. I would prefer an offer to help them become part of the solution, e.g. adding instrumentation to replacement batteries and working with the owners to insure the problem is fixed. The costs to such an action can be written off and can be cited in the future as source of customer commitment (which is priceless).

While it is becoming rarer in this day of no-frills sales, a company that shows that the customer comes first almost always wins out the end.

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