indyflick said:Hey I was reading somewhere that the EMF from EVs cures cancer. Anybody else hearing that?
AndyH said:LTLFTcomposite said:Probably a lot of truth to that article.
The problem is that there really isn't. I'm nearing the end of my 2nd year on the road with a lithium iron phosphate pack. I import LiFePo4 cells from Taiwan and have test reports that show both 'in use' cycling and 'storage' capacity loss - and none of my experiences or data from the battery manufacturers show the amount of degradation this gent suggests is certain.
It's FUD, plain and simple, from someone that's so far on the 'inside' of a paradigm that he can't see the outside world. We might as well be trying to get someone with no depth perception to tell us which object is farther away - they just can't and there's nothing we can do to change that.
LTLFTcomposite said:AndyH said:LTLFTcomposite said:Probably a lot of truth to that article.
The problem is that there really isn't. I'm nearing the end of my 2nd year on the road with a lithium iron phosphate pack. I import LiFePo4 cells from Taiwan and have test reports that show both 'in use' cycling and 'storage' capacity loss - and none of my experiences or data from the battery manufacturers show the amount of degradation this gent suggests is certain.
It's FUD, plain and simple, from someone that's so far on the 'inside' of a paradigm that he can't see the outside world. We might as well be trying to get someone with no depth perception to tell us which object is farther away - they just can't and there's nothing we can do to change that.
It's all conjecture until the cars get into the hands of real world users. Only then will we know just how much the "less than optimal" conditions or aging of the battery cuts into the range. We do see a lot of backpedaling on the range though. Maybe Nissan is being overly conservative for CYA purposes... face it nobody will complain that their range is greater than expected.
EVangelists are so stoked about this car they won't care if they have to push it the last three miles to get home. When you get past that self-selected group you're going to find a lot of people in the sun belt who use their AC's most days, drive at highways speeds at least part of the time, and occasionally go up a hill. Those folks are going to be disappointed/inconvenienced if they have longer daily commutes.
My old Norelco razor used to go two weeks on a charge, now it's down to three days... which is only two days more than I need
Exactly! What's infuriating for me from the FUDzilla's is that they act like we have zero experience with any aspect of EV technology whatsoever. I tell people all the time, just because something is new to you doesn't mean it's actually new. There have been thousands of EVs on the road for over the last decade, and they keep improving. The Nissan LEAF scales this to the hundreds of thousands and includes a lot of useful technology. We know from these earliest adopters that they adjust immediately to the range, the performance, the extreme weather, etc. There's hard data, the sample size is large enough, we don't have to speculate. If you're speculating, launching turd grenades, and dumping FUD into any blog which mentions EVs then it's self evident what your motives in fact are.AndyH said:Sorry man - not trying to pick - but neither your razor or 'EVangelists' has anything to do with what I'm talking about.
I believe the only answer we have to this right now is that 24 kWh is the capacity made available to the end user and that there is some headroom above that. I don't believe we've been told what the "actual" capacity is. I have only seen speculation that the extra capacity is to keep us from using the top and bottom ends of the batteries. I doubt it can also be used to keep the "end user" capacity the same, but I guess it is a possibility.indyflick said:One quick question, does the LEAF pack actually have more than 24 kWh capacity, but only "exposes" the 24 kWh so it can virtually add capacity to make up for the loss over time?
AndyH said:Your razor likely has NiCad. Not applicable. The subject of this post is obviously out of touch with even 5-8 year old lithium tech - aside from his agenda.
indyflick said:Exactly! What's infuriating for me from the FUDzilla's is that they act like we have zero experience with any aspect of EV technology whatsoever. I tell people all the time, just because something is new to you doesn't mean it's actually new. There have been thousands of EVs on the road for over the last decade, and they keep improving. The Nissan LEAF scales this to the hundreds of thousands and includes a lot of useful technology. We know from these earliest adopters that they adjust immediately to the range, the performance, the extreme weather, etc. There's hard data, the sample size is large enough, we don't have to speculate. If you're speculating, launching turd grenades, and dumping FUD into any blog which mentions EVs then it's self evident what your motives in fact are.
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