Valdemar
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smkettner said:I would be fine with $8,000...
I would be too, if it lasted 10 years in hot climate on a high mileage vehicle. But it doesn't and it won't.
smkettner said:I would be fine with $8,000...
Although I was with the majority that would have liked the battery price to be less than 1/2 my savings on gasoline, that is clearly completely unrealistic.TomT said:So what do you think a reasonable price for a replacement battery is? $199.95?
smkettner said:Just don't gouge us on the price.
cwerdna said:It sounds like some So Cal folks made the trek to Phoenix... I take it that this meeting wasn't taped/filmed? Was it in a similar style to the 1st Phoenix town hall? Hopefully Andy and company got to experience the Phoenix heat...
Tom, it's good to see that you were invited and participated last night.TomT said:Actually, the proceedings where quite cordial, respectful, and civil...
surfingslovak said:Tom, it's good to see that you were invited and participated last night.TomT said:Actually, the proceedings where quite cordial, respectful, and civil...
TomT said:I was very honored and privileged to have been invited to attend! I felt it was worthwhile and enjoyed participating and interacting with everyone there. I believe that everyone on both sides left with some good food for thought.
My thoughts exactly.smkettner said:I would be fine with $8,000. At least make it available. The lower the cost the sooner I would replace. Nothing wrong with prices dropping over time as plenty of other products have done the same. People have no regrets about paying $10,000 for the first plasma tvs. They just keep selling more as the price drops.
People CAN handle the truth. Just don't gouge us on the price. There are alternatives. If Nissan thinks they are the only game in town they are sorely mistaken.
The option of 3 different battery pack sizes would broaden the market for the LEAF, no doubt about it.surfingslovak said:drees said:Doubling the durability of the battery is a good start - but IMO the LEAF still needs more range if Nissan wants to push more volume for a couple reasons. A good target is 100+ miles at 65 mph (or 100 mile EPA range) or about 30 kWh battery instead of 24 kWh. 100 miles is one of those tipping points where one gets to the point of diminishing returns. Not only that, but 10 years down the road when that battery is down 25% capacity, it's still very useful and about as good as a new LEAF today. Even better would be to target 100 miles at EOL, but that's going to take close to 40 kWh.
Great comment. While completely understandable, I too find it disappointing that most car makers settle for about 80 miles of real-world EV range today. Adding 6 to 10 kWh would not carry a huge weight or price penalty, but it could have a significant impact on sales. Especially, if this was offered as on option, much like what Tesla initially did with their 40, 60 and 85 kWh battery pack configuration.
Can't you just do some "non-babying" charging and driving to make up for it?Valdemar said:I came to conclusion that my babying the battery during two first years of ownership is not going to serve me well. It likely helped to slow down capacity loss somewhat, and now there is a good chance I may not lose 4 bars before 60k on the odometer, but it will come close. Had I always charged to 100%, not used end of charge timer, let the car sit fully charged in the heat I would end up with a brand spanking new "hot pack" for free, but now I'm looking at a $100/mo lease. Needless to say that I'm pissed.
scottf200 said:Can't you just do some "non-babying" charging and driving to make up for it?Valdemar said:I came to conclusion that my babying the battery during two first years of ownership is not going to serve me well. It likely helped to slow down capacity loss somewhat, and now there is a good chance I may not lose 4 bars before 60k on the odometer, but it will come close. Had I always charged to 100%, not used end of charge timer, let the car sit fully charged in the heat I would end up with a brand spanking new "hot pack" for free, but now I'm looking at a $100/mo lease. Needless to say that I'm pissed.
I think the warranty could use a clause about prorated pack replacements for three-bar or even two-bar losers.Valdemar said:That is the plan, it is just it seems wrong and even then I may not get down to 8 bars in time without major abuse.
+1surfingslovak said:I think the warranty could use a clause about prorated pack replacements for three-bar or even two-bar losers.Valdemar said:That is the plan, it is just it seems wrong and even then I may not get down to 8 bars in time without major abuse.
TimLee said:Thanks to all those that reported on the meeting with Nissan!
A lot of great people on MNL.
surfingslovak said:I think the warranty could use a clause about prorated pack replacements for three-bar or even two-bar losers.
+3Boomer23 said:+2surfingslovak said:I think the warranty could use a clause about prorated pack replacements for three-bar or even two-bar losers.
Even two bars is a lot of range to lose, especially for someone who based the purchase on a commute that is 90% of the range of a new LEAF, with no warning from Nissan about significant potential loss of range within the first two to three years.
KJD said:BBrockman said:I'm still here, and do plan to provide some updates on a number of topics from the information discussed this evening.
Thank you letting us know that you are still here.
Will your update be some time today, some time tomorrow or some time in the spring ?
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