They really should bring out a longer range car sooner rather than later. If there was a new LEAF with 180 miles of range I would be shopping for a new car. As things stand right now I can't really justify spending the money to upgrade to a 2015.BoulderLeaf said:
2016 Leaf to have up to 180 miles of range!!!
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TonyWilliams
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When every other major auto manufacturer that is CARB-ZEV regulated switches to hydrogen by 2018, Nissan has clearly stated that they are sticking with batteries.
Toyota
Honda
Hyundai
Daimler / Mercedes Benz
Ford
VW
It sounds like Nissan, and even GM, will stick with EV's
BMW has an H2 car, but I see no indication of getting out of the EV market
Naturally, not a single company that is NOT regulated to produce a ZEV will go to hydrogen:
Tesla
Mitsubishi
Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru)
Land Rover
Jaguar
Volvo
et al
Toyota
Honda
Hyundai
Daimler / Mercedes Benz
Ford
VW
It sounds like Nissan, and even GM, will stick with EV's
BMW has an H2 car, but I see no indication of getting out of the EV market
Naturally, not a single company that is NOT regulated to produce a ZEV will go to hydrogen:
Tesla
Mitsubishi
Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru)
Land Rover
Jaguar
Volvo
et al
DanCar
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All of those companies have also gone electric. The market will decide the winner and we know who that is.TonyWilliams said:
TomT
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Of course, Andy is now long gone, along with a number of others... Who really knows where Nissan stands these days...
evnow said:
TonyWilliams
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DanCar said:
Yes, they went electric, and now through 2018, they'll go with H2.
That will leave Tesla, Mitsubishi, Nissan, BMW, etc, to carry the EV torch.
GRA
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Of course, BMW and Toyota are involved in a joint fuel cell development effort last year, and IIRR BMW plans to have an FCV by no later than 2020. Nissan was also working on them, but I don't know what their current plans are.TonyWilliams said:
evnow
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GRA said:
http://green.autoblog.com/2014/11/30/nissan-happy-plug-in-vehicles-will-wait-hydrogen/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
evnow
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Somehow I feel if Model 3 was coming out earlier, Leaf 2 with longer range (and Infiniti LE as well) would have come out earlier.KJD said:
I don't expect Nissan to say much about Leaf 2 - except a bit here and there - until 2016 at least.
If LG's claim of "200" mile battery is correct - and they are willing to sell it to any OEM, we should see long range EVs from a number of them. "200" miles will be the new "100" miles.
cwerdna
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Pretty much all the major automakers have dabbled with hydrogen FCVs in some way or another, including Nissan. Some (Nissan included) have had working prototypes for years. When I went to Alt Car Expo in 2012 (https://web.archive.org/web/20120901161601/http://www.altcarexpo.com/exhibitor_vehicles.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false
, I test drove FCEVs from Honda (Clarity FCX), Mercedes (B-Class), Kia, Toyota (was a Highlander), and even Nissan (pretty sure it was an X-Trail). The Nissan one IIRC was on loan from Coca Cola. I don't recall if it was being leased to or just loaned for free to Coke. The ride along guy was from Nissan's Sacramento office. I recognized some of the interior bits from other Nissans I had, to which the Nissan guy confirmed.
The Honda and Mercedes in question were being actively leased to So Cal folks.
I've driven an Equinox FCV at Detroit Auto Show in Jan 09.
I've seen Nissan and others offer FCV test drives at Tokyo Motor Show a few years ago, at least from the info online.
I recall seeing http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20050421006127/en/Nissan-Donates-Xterra-Fuel-Cell-Vehicle-Petersen#.VHvUeGftDqM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; inside http://www.petersen.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I found http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/ENVIRONMENT/CAR/FUEL_BATTERY/DEVELOPMENT/FCV/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; w/a timeline.
, I test drove FCEVs from Honda (Clarity FCX), Mercedes (B-Class), Kia, Toyota (was a Highlander), and even Nissan (pretty sure it was an X-Trail). The Nissan one IIRC was on loan from Coca Cola. I don't recall if it was being leased to or just loaned for free to Coke. The ride along guy was from Nissan's Sacramento office. I recognized some of the interior bits from other Nissans I had, to which the Nissan guy confirmed.The Honda and Mercedes in question were being actively leased to So Cal folks.
I've driven an Equinox FCV at Detroit Auto Show in Jan 09.
I've seen Nissan and others offer FCV test drives at Tokyo Motor Show a few years ago, at least from the info online.
I recall seeing http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20050421006127/en/Nissan-Donates-Xterra-Fuel-Cell-Vehicle-Petersen#.VHvUeGftDqM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; inside http://www.petersen.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I found http://www.nissan-global.com/EN/ENVIRONMENT/CAR/FUEL_BATTERY/DEVELOPMENT/FCV/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; w/a timeline.
pkulak
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Yup. It's not hard to make a FCEV. Engineering wise. Making it with no platinum is the tricky part. No one has figured that out yet.
edatoakrun
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I doubt He's talking about ~that range for the ~2016-17 debut of the base LEAF gen 2.
But I wouldn't be surprised if that range (Japan test cycle) was available from a LEAF battery pack upgrade option, and/or from the Infiniti LE.
But I wouldn't be surprised if that range (Japan test cycle) was available from a LEAF battery pack upgrade option, and/or from the Infiniti LE.
http://dailykanban.com/2014/12/battery-breakthrough-nissan-poised-take-range-off-table/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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If the Leaf had lower aerodynamic drag, it would have much more range with the current battery. With a lower loss plug-to-wheels, more of the capacity would be available, as well.
I think it is possible to lower the energy consumption to between 150Wh and 160Wh per mile. This would put the range with the current battery in the 138-147 mile range. So, to get the range up over 200 miles, the battery pack would need to be increased to ~34-36kWh.
I think it is possible to lower the energy consumption to between 150Wh and 160Wh per mile. This would put the range with the current battery in the 138-147 mile range. So, to get the range up over 200 miles, the battery pack would need to be increased to ~34-36kWh.
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BoulderLeaf
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Ah, thanks for finding this! I was seriously starting to doubt we'd see much of a future for Nissan's EV lineup...
Of course, all of these figures correlate well with the expected new NMC chemistry. And the fact that the new chemistry is reported to be lighter, smaller, and cheaper (while still being ~2x as energy dense) than today's battery is very encouraging. Also, Nissan folks (unofficially) saying that they don't want to elaborate on this new tech yet until it's ready so that current EV sales are not dampened fits in line with the recent absence of info. I just hope I'm not reading too much into this and becoming unduly excited.
Of course, all of these figures correlate well with the expected new NMC chemistry. And the fact that the new chemistry is reported to be lighter, smaller, and cheaper (while still being ~2x as energy dense) than today's battery is very encouraging. Also, Nissan folks (unofficially) saying that they don't want to elaborate on this new tech yet until it's ready so that current EV sales are not dampened fits in line with the recent absence of info. I just hope I'm not reading too much into this and becoming unduly excited.
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asimba2
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I hope this comes sooner than "a few years." If not, extending my lease until that time is probably the thing to do.
I'm holding out high hope for Leaf 2.0. I have a feeling the Model III will be upwards of $45,000+ with supercharging enabled. I plan to buy my next EV and would not even consider a compliance EV (Soul, Focus, Fit, etc.) due the HUGE problems my friends have had getting their Fit EV repaired.
I'm holding out high hope for Leaf 2.0. I have a feeling the Model III will be upwards of $45,000+ with supercharging enabled. I plan to buy my next EV and would not even consider a compliance EV (Soul, Focus, Fit, etc.) due the HUGE problems my friends have had getting their Fit EV repaired.
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asimba2 said:
Over at the Google Groups Fiat 500e page, the nightmares that Fiat 500e owners have with getting their cars repaired are jaw dropping!
jlv
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The nightmares on Leaf repairs are almost just as bad!gene said:
asimba2
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jlv said:
Issues are not nearly the same. Compliance EV manufacturers simply do not dedicate the resources to hire and train EV specialists to work on a few thousand cars floating around. It seems bad now, but imagine owning (not leasing) a compliance EV 4 or 5 years from now when production of those compliance cars stops.
NasGoreList
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Renault did a nice design with EoLab, they just need to stick Nissan badge on along with better battery :mrgreen:
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edatoakrun said:
I would never buy an infinity, it is sort of a lower grade "luxury" brand and it would be a premium for "better" finishes. They need to focus on making the LEAF better quality and updated with present tech not NAV and other features that were dated 10 years ago. Infinity styling is a step worse than Nissan as well, we don't need heavier over priced EVs to justify adding a premium to the price of more range. I really hope Kia has a more production-based EV offering in the near future, it could easily crush LEAF sales. I also don't see range doubling in less than 10 months which is the release date of a 2016. My eye is watching Hyundai and possibly some other sleepers. Should credit rules stay the same and Nissan gets to the end when longer range EVs are out it should be an interesting market, no incentives on a longer range LEAF and full incentives on a similar Kia or other product on a new platform. Could be painful for Nissan and a big advantage for others.
