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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:13 pm

SageBrush wrote:
GRA wrote: I'm curious, at what speeds do you get 220Wh/m, i.e. is this freeway driving at 75 or 80? 220Wh/m would be at the lower end of what I've seen for freeway road trips the 3LR on TMC, although I don't follow that closely.
65 - 70 mph.
Ah, that (and your altitude) explains it. I was talking about rural interstate cruising, which is at (or more typically 5 mph above) the speed limit (75 in Colorado, so 75-80).
SageBrush wrote:Bjorn Nyland recently posted a video comparing multiple EVs taking an 77 mile r/t at 75 mph. Results at 17:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=150Z4l69CBo
Thanks, I just watched it. 22C ambient (71.6 F) with the HVAC set at 70, so not much of a draw there. As expected the Model 3 was quite good, and as the designer said the Bolt has a terrible Cd (0.32?), especially compared to this group. As its design emphasis was on urban use (looking forward to AV car-sharing), no surprises there.
SageBrush wrote:The discussions re: fuel prices for trips is one thing, but people should keep in mind that a more realistic discussion is to talk about per mile costs weighted over the year since it is quite uncommon for people to use the car *only* for road tripping. Moreover, cost discussions using this dip in petrol prices is particularly silly. Use a 5 year average.

E.g., in my case 90% of my miles are not road trips so the 20% bump in supercharger prices adds about 3% to my annual fuel bill for the car. From peanuts to 1.03*peanuts
Of course everyone everyone needs to use an average for their driving. It does seem like an awful lot of new Tesla owners are reliant on SCs for their regular charging, as will be the case with many if not most urban apartment/condo dwellers, and Tesla has certainly been emphasizing urban locations for SCs for the past year or more to accommodate all the new cars.

Five years ago the average price of gas was $3.50 and we were discussing when it would reach $5. It's been low for the past few years, and even the current prices are high compared to where they were 1 1/2 to 2 years ago. The point is that if you have to use public charging or do lots of road trips, the 'cost of fuel' economic argument gets a lot harder to make. Even at $0.28/kWh it's a lot better than my local Blinks, which are $0.49/kWh for members for L2, and $0.59/kWh for QC. EA would also be cheaper.
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:13 pm

We have movement! North Bend is now open "and" working! Everett South (for lack of a better term) has broken ground
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 4411.3 mi, 96.88% SOH
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:14 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:We have movement! North Bend is now open "and" working! Everett South (for lack of a better term) has broken ground
You're behind the times - North Bend was reported here a while back :D
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:20 pm

GRA wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:We have movement! North Bend is now open "and" working! Everett South (for lack of a better term) has broken ground
You're behind the times - North Bend was reported here a while back :D
saw that report but it didn't lead to any cars being able to charge.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 4411.3 mi, 96.88% SOH
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:25 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
GRA wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:We have movement! North Bend is now open "and" working! Everett South (for lack of a better term) has broken ground
You're behind the times - North Bend was reported here a while back :D
saw that report but it didn't lead to any cars being able to charge.
From the check-in reports I read on Plugshare, the problem was with the L2 rather than the QCs. Have you seen/heard different?
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Re: Electrify America Network

Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:30 pm

GRA wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
GRA wrote: You're behind the times - North Bend was reported here a while back :D
saw that report but it didn't lead to any cars being able to charge.
From the check-in reports I read on Plugshare, the problem was with the L2 rather than the QCs. Have you seen/heard different?
You are reading the EVGO site info. EA is North Bend WEST and has no level 2 stations...

First successful charge on EA was yesterday
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 4411.3 mi, 96.88% SOH
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:27 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
GRA wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
saw that report but it didn't lead to any cars being able to charge.
From the check-in reports I read on Plugshare, the problem was with the L2 rather than the QCs. Have you seen/heard different?
You are reading the EVGO site info. EA is North Bend WEST and has no level 2 stations...

First successful charge on EA was yesterday
Ah, thanks, my bad. Boy, they really put those on top on one another - I had to zoom way in to separate them on Plugshare. Someday we may have that kind of competition at most sites, just like gas stations!
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:46 pm

7 more are open, for 28 this month and 88 total: Heyburn, ID (Jct. I-84/86); Idaho Falls, ID (Jct. I-15/U.S. 20 & 26); Ardmore, OK (I-35 and SR 142) Topeka, KS (Jct. I-70/470); Waukee, IL (I-80 W. of Des Moines); Indianapolis, IN (I-465, just E. of I-65 South); Mansfield, OH (Jct. I-71/SR 13).

This just in:
Electrify America Shuts Down All 150-350 kW Fast Chargers Over Safety Issue
https://insideevs.com/vw-electrify-amer ... rs-safety/
VW’s Electrify America is shutting down all of its U.S. fast chargers over a safety concern connected to the charging cables. News of this is just now surfacing via an official press release from Electrify America.
  • At the recommendation of its supplier, HUBER+SUHNER, a leading supplier of high-powered charging cable technology in the industry, Electrify America is shutting down the majority of its high-powered chargers (150 kW – 350kW) in its network to investigate a potential safety issue with its liquid-cooled cables. . . .
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:36 pm

Looks like trouble in paradise as EA is shutting down the CCS 175/350 KW stations due to safety concerns.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 4411.3 mi, 96.88% SOH
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Re: Electrify America Network

Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:36 pm

GRA wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
GRA wrote: From the check-in reports I read on Plugshare, the problem was with the L2 rather than the QCs. Have you seen/heard different?
You are reading the EVGO site info. EA is North Bend WEST and has no level 2 stations...

First successful charge on EA was yesterday
Ah, thanks, my bad. Boy, they really put those on top on one another - I had to zoom way in to separate them on Plugshare. Someday we may have that kind of competition at most sites, just like gas stations!
They are literally 200 feet apart!
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 4411.3 mi, 96.88% SOH
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