DaveinOlyWA
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RapidGate Fix?

Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:12 am

Ok, so its out in so many places, I have to move it from rumor to reality. Saw video of LEAF in Europe charging at 37 KW while batteries were near 120º which is a HUGE improvement from mine which would have started the charge around 18-20 KW.

So is this "fix" planned for all 40 kwh packs or are the early adopters SOL

If its the latter, when then?
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 15,000 miles, 478 GIDs, 37.0 kwh 109.81 Ahr , SOH 94.61, Hx 120.15
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booper
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Re: RapidGate Fix?

Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:38 am

Anyone hear anything else on this?

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: RapidGate Fix?

Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:49 am

booper wrote:Anyone hear anything else on this?
Europe got fix a week or so ago. Statement claimed by ummm, forget his name here claims fix NOT coming to North America based on analysis of charging and lack of complaints.
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 15,000 miles, 478 GIDs, 37.0 kwh 109.81 Ahr , SOH 94.61, Hx 120.15
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: RapidGate Fix?

Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:52 am

His Statement;

"HERE IS AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM NISSAN USA ON THIS ISSUE.

I spoke with my PR contact from Nissan USA today, and here is the official statement for NISSAN USA. Yes, there is an update, but it is for European 2018 LEAF owners within a certain manufacturing date ONLY.

Here is the response I received from Nissan this morning:
"Hi Gary – to follow up on our call, the vast majority of our US customers don’t use multiple fast charging procedures in any single day, so they are not affected by the charging safeguard feature on the new LEAF. Regarding the software update in Europe, Nissan is not currently planning to conduct the update in the US. For LEAF customers who expect to consistently use fast charging procedures more than twice per day for extended distance driving, we would suggest they contact their local Nissan dealership for advice on how to get the best out of their LEAF under these exceptional driving scenarios."

I further asked about how Nissan USA arrived at the decision not to offer this change to USA customers, and this was the response:

"the decision not to extend the European SW date to the US was based on actual charging session data that the 2018 LEAF fleet generates, and the repair requests that dealers receive from owners presenting this issue".

Essentially Nissan has data that shows that a very small number of the affected 2018 LEAF universe actually experience this situation, and they have no dealer service data with customers presenting the symptoms of this type of slowdown to be fixed on their cars."

IOW; Nissan has decided we early adopters do not deserve the right to choose. :evil:
2011 SL; 44,598 miles. 2013 S; 44,840 miles.2016 S30 deceased. 29,413 miles. 2018 S40; 15,000 miles, 478 GIDs, 37.0 kwh 109.81 Ahr , SOH 94.61, Hx 120.15
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paraski40
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Re: RapidGate Fix?

Mon May 13, 2019 12:47 pm

There is a petition online to ask Nissan North America to make software update available to Fix #Rapidgate for Early 2018 LEAF Buyers.

https://www.change.org/p/nissan-north-a ... 2&jb=32305

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Re: RapidGate Fix?

Mon May 13, 2019 1:03 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote: Saw video of LEAF in Europe charging at 37 KW while batteries were near 120º which is a HUGE improvement from mine which would have started the charge around 18-20 KW.
Nissan loves letting the Europeans "cook" those batteries, right? Let those Euro Leaf batteries feel like they're in Tucson, AZ.
Wonder what the end temp was?
#1 Leaf SL MY 9/13: 74K miles, 48 Ahrs, 5.2 miles/kWh (average), Hx=70, SOH=78, L2 - 100% > 1000, temp < 95F, (DOD) > 20 Ahrs
#2 Leaf SL MY 12/18: 4.5K miles, 115 Ahrs, 5.5 miles/kWh (average), Hx=98, SOH=99, DOD > 20%, temp < 105F

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: RapidGate Fix?

Mon May 13, 2019 7:07 pm

lorenfb wrote:
DaveinOlyWA wrote: Saw video of LEAF in Europe charging at 37 KW while batteries were near 120º which is a HUGE improvement from mine which would have started the charge around 18-20 KW.
Nissan loves letting the Europeans "cook" those batteries, right? Let those Euro Leaf batteries feel like they're in Tucson, AZ.
Wonder what the end temp was?
I had probably 3-5 dozen QC events on my 2016 charging at full speed to 80% (that doesn't happen any more!) with pack temps in the 120º range. My pack after 14 months had 29,413 miles, almost 300 QCs and 100% SOH. I don't think I ever hit 130º but definitely remember hitting 128º twice in one day! :)
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Re: RapidGate Fix?

Mon May 13, 2019 7:13 pm

"Hi Gary – to follow up on our call, the vast majority of our US customers don’t use multiple fast charging procedures in any single day, so they are not affected by the charging safeguard feature on the new LEAF. Regarding the software update in Europe, Nissan is not currently planning to conduct the update in the US. For LEAF customers who expect to consistently use fast charging procedures more than twice per day for extended distance driving, we would suggest they contact their local Nissan dealership for advice on how to get the best out of their LEAF under these exceptional driving scenarios."
So much bullshit there I wouldn't know where to start. Best to just leave the turd in one piece.
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: RapidGate Fix?

Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:12 am

retrodog wrote:Hi, I'm a representative of the Nissan Corporation. Just a few points:

1. You don't want a "fix" to the "rapidgate" charging rate limit without actively cooling your battery pack, as it would fry your batteries.
2. We will not send you an update to fry your batteries because that would void your warranty.
3. Get a Chevy Volt if you want to take long road trips in your EV.

I hope this helps. Feel free to reach out to me on the message boards any time. However, I don't take phone calls or direct e-mails as there are way too many people who drive EVs and I can't be bothered by all of them.



Disclaimer: I'm not really a representative of Nissan, but if I were... that's what I'd post. And maybe that's why I'm not.
Point 2 is blatantly false - fix provided by the OEM cant void your warranty.

Also, reported for that 1st sentence.

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: RapidGate Fix?

Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:09 pm

retrodog wrote:Hi, I'm a representative of the Nissan Corporation. Just a few points:

1. You don't want a "fix" to the "rapidgate" charging rate limit without actively cooling your battery pack, as it would fry your batteries.
2. We will not send you an update to fry your batteries because that would void your warranty.
3. Get a Chevy Volt if you want to take long road trips in your EV.

I hope this helps. Feel free to reach out to me on the message boards any time. However, I don't take phone calls or direct e-mails as there are way too many people who drive EVs and I can't be bothered by all of them.



Disclaimer: I'm not really a representative of Nissan, but if I were... that's what I'd post. And maybe that's why I'm not.
You mean "If you don't live in the EU, we won't" right?
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