johnlocke wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:05 pm
Battery leasing from Nissan is never going to happen.
Nissan is a lot more interested in selling you a new Leaf than it is in repairing your old one. Nisan's price to replace that battery is going to remain high to encourage you to replace your Leaf with a new one.
Maybe so, and over the years since I leased a Leaf, the company has shown that it can be stubborn, but Nissan appears to be not doing entirely well, as a corporate entity:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=fin&s ... xrGICg11:0
And, underscoring this, they seem to be trying to unload a $1bn unit:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-niss ... SKBN1W30PN
and they have recently named a new CEO, not to mention the legal battles and misconduct accusations:
https://global.nissannews.com/en/releas ... 91008-02-e
https://global.nissannews.com/en/releas ... 91009-02-e
and sales of the Leaf in the US in 2019 are mediocre - about 1/12 the sales of the Model 3, and not equaling Bolt sales even when GM appears not to be trying as hard as it could:
https://insideevs.com/news/373812/ev-sa ... mber-2019/
So, part of where I'm coming from on this suggestion (and again, I doubt that it's really a good suggestion, but just putting it out there for discussion) is for those of us who see the Leaf Plus as a vehicle that could serve a larger addressable market in the US, maybe there are one or two things the company could do to address the lingering concern around battery life and overall vehicle depreciation concerns that may get in the way of a significant number of buying decisions in the hotter parts of the US.
As well, I have in mind that I believe Renault has engaged in some battery leasing in Europe. I don't know the pros and cons that have emerged from that.
As to the heat, I also sometimes wonder how all this will play out in Mexico (where last time I checked, Nissan had something like 20-25% of the overall light duty vehicle market). Are they just going to try to sell the Leaf variants and not bother too much about the climate and possible impact on battery life? Over time, if the batteries do not really hold up that well in the heat, then I have to wonder how the Mexican buyers will respond. This whole range degradation thing is a drag and a pain-in-the-neck topic, but for some folks trying to make a major financial life decision (such as a $40k+ interest out the door vehicle purchase), it seems a legit question.
For those who have never seen it, this "Town Hall" meeting from 2013 may get across that some of the buyers at the time were very upset.
It's a nearly 2 hour long video, and I'm not suggesting anyone watch a lot of it, but as I recall, here and there some folks stood up and expressed themselves as to what they thought of putting that much money into a vehicle that so quickly lost a decent chunk of already very modest range. Of course the ranges are much better today and that may help reduce dissatisfaction, but like I said, in case some may not have been aware of this video:
Nissan LEAF Town Hall Meeting - Battery Capacity Reduction & Warranty
4,966 views•Jan 13, 2013