GRA
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He needs to cut back on the caffeine (or cocaine as the case may be).
https://insideevs.com/reviews/379401/video-tesla-model-s-vs-porsche-taycan/Porsche Taycan Vs Tesla Model S: Review, Road Test, Race, Charging
That sums it up nicely.GRA said:If you want a car primarily for long distance touring/hauling lots of people or stuff, it's the S. If you want a car for driving really fast on a twisting road, it's the Taycan.
SageBrush said:You can ask Tesla why they chose the battery warranty limits, but Tesla also says they expect 300,000 - 500,000 miles from typical use while Nissan says ~ 80,000 miles until end of life.
.WetEV said:Expect and warrantied are two different things.SageBrush said:You can ask Tesla why they chose the battery warranty limits, but Tesla also says they expect 300,000 - 500,000 miles from typical use while Nissan says ~ 80,000 miles until end of life.
SageBrush said:.WetEV said:Expect and warrantied are two different things.SageBrush said:You can ask Tesla why they chose the battery warranty limits, but Tesla also says they expect 300,000 - 500,000 miles from typical use while Nissan says ~ 80,000 miles until end of life.
They can be, e.g., when it comes to Toyota or Tesla. Where it concerns Nissan it is about the same
.WetEV said:SageBrush said:.WetEV said:Expect and warrantied are two different things.
They can be, e.g., when it comes to Toyota or Tesla. Where it concerns Nissan it is about the same
If true, then half of all Nissan batteries are replaced under warranty.
Got any evidence for that?
Lots of stories the last two days about how it looks like TopGear fudged the results, using prior results from 2017 for the Model S and not the current production numbers with the Raven update.GRA said:IEVS:https://insideevs.com/reviews/379401/video-tesla-model-s-vs-porsche-taycan/Porsche Taycan Vs Tesla Model S: Review, Road Test, Race, Charging
Oh, and the Taycan beat the S 0-60, 2.61 to 2.68 seconds on the very first (and only) drag race, not that that matters all that much.
Well, I consider the pre-production, kludged Model S they are playing with silly "entertainment" equally on par with the hijinks TopGear did.SageBrush said:^^ Par for the course for that "entertainment" show.
I wonder how the pre-production Model S upgrade is doing on the 'ring. Elon has hinted that it will handily beat the Porsche but I have not seen any results.
.jlv said:Well, I consider the pre-production, kludged Model S they are playing with silly "entertainment"
SageBrush said:^^ Par for the course for that "entertainment" show.
I wonder how the pre-production Model S upgrade is doing on the 'ring. Elon has hinted that it will handily beat the Porsche but I have not seen any results.
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-nurburgring-update-crash-supercharger-spoiler/Tesla Model S Nurburgring update: A crash, more Superchargers, and new mods
jlv said:Lots of stories the last two days about how it looks like TopGear fudged the results, using prior results from 2017 for the Model S and not the current production numbers with the Raven update.GRA said:IEVS:https://insideevs.com/reviews/379401/video-tesla-model-s-vs-porsche-taycan/Porsche Taycan Vs Tesla Model S: Review, Road Test, Race, Charging
Oh, and the Taycan beat the S 0-60, 2.61 to 2.68 seconds on the very first (and only) drag race, not that that matters all that much.
In a post published yesterday on the website portion of the Top Gear franchise, the editors admitted that they used fake numbers in their article. If you suspected the reason behind that was some simple bumbling or loss of the fresh figures, you'd be wrong. They claim they went with the fake digits – they were originally generated during an older comparison of the Tesla Model S versus the Mercedes C63 – because they were actually better than the best results produced in this latest test. Yes, it's a head-scratcher.
Besides offering this nonsensical explanation, the site also defended its testing procedure, saying, "...we ran the drag race five times and the Porsche won every time by a small but increasing margin with each subsequent race." It also added that, "... the Tesla was in Ludicrous+ mode, the battery was pre-conditioned and both cars had around 85 per cent charge before the first run."
The problem with this explanation is that it doesn't add up if you pay attention to the video. While we can't speak to the quarter-mile result, it certainly doesn't appear as though the Taycan records a better 0-to-60 time in the first few seconds of the race. Check out the footage beginning at the 55-second mark. Clearly, the Model S stays pulls ahead and stays there for at least the initial four seconds, presumably reaching 60 miles per hour quicker. Also, as you can see in the image at the top of this post, the Model S is clearly ahead of the Taycan above 83 mph.
Of course, it could be that this bit of interior footage was just recorded for dramatic effect and delivery of the (lame) neck-brace joke and wasn't part of the recorded results, but there is no way to know.
https://insideevs.com/news/380263/top-gear-tesla-taycan-dragtimes-video/Top Gear Tesla Vs Taycan Controversy Continues With New Video
https://insideevs.com/news/380247/tesla-model-s-plaid-beat-taycan/Tesla Model S Plaid Laps Ring In 7:13: Beats Taycan By 29 Seconds
.GRA said:and no word on when it might be available to buy.
https://insideevs.com/news/383171/porsche-taycan-delivery-delay/It Turns Out Porsche Taycan Deliveries Are Delayed
Apparently, it's not just Tesla that runs into early issues with production and delivery.
A recent post on the Facebook Porsche Taycan Group reveals that the Taycan is now running on an 8- to 10-week delivery delay. A Norwegian reservation holder received an email from the German automaker explaining the situation. . . .
Check out the email from Porsche below (translated from Norwegian):
- "Taycan is our first fully electric sports car. The car is developed from scratch and manufactured in a brand new factory. All Porsche employees have worked with full pressure to start delivering Taycan as scheduled in January. Still, as a result of the enormous complexity surrounding the production of Taycan, we must report that unfortunately the delivery dates are somewhat delayed.
We currently expect delays of around eight to ten weeks, and a new production time for your car will be communicated through your seller as soon as this is ready. We strongly apologize and guarantee that we will do everything we can to deliver your Porsche Taycan as soon as possible."
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