Titanium48
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Delivery Date: 25 Jan 2019
Location: Edmonton, AB

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:47 pm

The losses from hard acceleration are a result of electrical resistance, primarily internal resistance in the battery but also some in the wiring and motor windings. Doubling current doubles motor power, but quadruples resistance losses. Lots of time at high current heats up the battery, which is not good for it.
For a highway trip where you are getting up to speed only once it won't make a significant difference, so there is no need to get in the way in the merge zone. Around town, the difference between moderate acceleration and mashing the pedal every time the light turns green may be more noticeable. There's still no need to get in the way though, as half of maximum current results in a quarter of the maximum resistance loss. Just accelerate with the traffic, don't speed, and try to anticipate slowdowns to minimize braking.
2016 SL

NotATesla
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Delivery Date: 23 May 2019
Leaf Number: 311925

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:13 am

September Efficiency:
2,496 miles
4.1 mi/kWh

October Efficiency:
2,411 miles
4.0 mi/kWh

November is currently a significant drop in efficiency(3.7 mi/kWh) but my husband was driving it while I was in Florida so hoping to improve the average before the month is over.
2019 SL Plus Silver - ODO: 18,880 mi SOH: 94.25%

DougWantsALeaf
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Leaf Number: 407811
Location: Chicago North Side

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:07 am

Glad to see that most are in the 4 - 4.4 range of efficiency. Based on usage and remaining charge, it puts the car's usable range close to 250 than 226/216.

Anyone on the forum have both a Bolt and a Leaf plus? I would be curious to know if they felt the Bolt has significantly better range.
2019 SV Plus Silver 6/19 purchase 7,000 Miles
2013 Leaf SV
100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max distance on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max distance on 19 Leaf: 242 Highway 4.5 miles/kWh

SageBrush
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Location: NM

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:19 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:07 am
Glad to see that most are in the 4 - 4.4 range of efficiency. Based on usage and remaining charge, it puts the car's usable range close to 250 than 226/216.
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It does not. Range is a matter of highway driving, and that is a very YMMV based on driving speed. The reports you are reading are mixtures of highway and city driving.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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NotATesla
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Joined: Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:06 am
Delivery Date: 23 May 2019
Leaf Number: 311925

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:36 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:19 am
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:07 am
Glad to see that most are in the 4 - 4.4 range of efficiency. Based on usage and remaining charge, it puts the car's usable range close to 250 than 226/216.
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It does not. Range is a matter of highway driving, and that is a very YMMV based on driving speed. The reports you are reading are mixtures of highway and city driving.
The vast majority of my driving is highway, I'd say probably close to 85% of the miles on my car are highway, possibly even more than that. Given we don't take the battery below 20% if we can avoid it we generally get about 200 usable miles on road trips(starting at 100%) and as a daily driver closer to 150 (start 80%-end 20% charge).

It would be nice if the car had a more "usable" range in that aspect but we are saving $$$$ so who am I to complain?😊
2019 SL Plus Silver - ODO: 18,880 mi SOH: 94.25%

DaveinOlyWA
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Leaf Number: 319862
Location: Olympia, WA
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:26 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:07 am
Glad to see that most are in the 4 - 4.4 range of efficiency. Based on usage and remaining charge, it puts the car's usable range close to 250 than 226/216.

Anyone on the forum have both a Bolt and a Leaf plus? I would be curious to know if they felt the Bolt has significantly better range.
Better range? yes. Significantly better? No. Driving styles can easily flip the placement.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 4411.3 mi, 96.88% SOH
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dmacarthur
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Leaf Number: 306556
Location: Vermont

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:42 am

My results are dropping fast in the cold, and even more significantly with night driving. The Plus we have does not have LED headlights, and the mileage for November with a fair amount of 65MPH highway and night driving and cold weather is running around 3.7 M/KWH. Is there a way I can find out how to see "actual" energy use as opposed to traction motor use, including headlight and heater draw? (our Plus is the base model... Thanks all, BTW, for this forum!
2015 Leaf sold
2019 Leaf Plus S as of 9/30/19

GerryAZ
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:06 am

dmacarthur wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:42 am
My results are dropping fast in the cold, and even more significantly with night driving. The Plus we have does not have LED headlights, and the mileage for November with a fair amount of 65MPH highway and night driving and cold weather is running around 3.7 M/KWH. Is there a way I can find out how to see "actual" energy use as opposed to traction motor use, including headlight and heater draw? (our Plus is the base model... Thanks all, BTW, for this forum!
Headlight use is not significant. Heater use and increased rolling resistance from colder temperatures are main causes of reduced range. I think the S+ (base model with 62 kWh battery) includes the larger navigation screen. If so, there is an energy use screen which displays graphs for traction motor, climate control, and auxiliary (12 volt) power use.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:19 pm

The dash efficiency includes auxiliary power draw, no?
2019 SV Plus Silver 6/19 purchase 7,000 Miles
2013 Leaf SV
100 Mile Club Member (Number 87)
Max distance on 13 Leaf: 120 miles
Max distance on 19 Leaf: 242 Highway 4.5 miles/kWh

dmacarthur
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Leaf Number: 306556
Location: Vermont

Re: 62kwh Leaf Plus Efficiency Posting

Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:14 pm

I gotta think that dash efficiency graphic does exclude draws other than traction motor, and I can not seem to find on my screen anything like the detail that the fancier models might have- they DO have larger screens. Maybe less-affluent people are less likely to be energy geeks? seems like the opposite would be true....
2015 Leaf sold
2019 Leaf Plus S as of 9/30/19

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