The EPA disagrees with you, as do I from experience with 3 Toyota Prius HEV and one Toyota Prius Prime.LeftieBiker said:My point, and I did have one, that the PIP gets great fuel economy even when not plugged in - substantially more than the regular Prius.
The EPA disagrees with you, as do I from experience with 3 Toyota Prius HEV and one Toyota Prius Prime.
There is no doubt that a PHEV has the potential to be a smart, environmental car. You use it as intended; I used our Prime that way. In fact, the Prius Prime was outstanding for us. I used it for my work commute of 86 miles r/t in 4 season Colorado and frequent 250 mile trips each way to New Mexico and ended up with ~ 100 mpg lifetime.camasleaf said:Our Clarity is on the second gas tank this year, and is still full. My main concern with the car is the gas going bad. Close to 18000 miles since the beginning of 2018 and I do not believe we filed the 7 gallon tank more than a dozen times. Half of the gas was used during two 1000 miles each trips.
What would you have bought without the PHEV incentive ?RonSwanson said:I picked up a RAV4 Prime a couple weeks ago and will definitely be different from those in the survey. I'll do probably 95%+ EV driving only after the 600 mile break-in period. But yes, the majority aren't going to plug-in much and just buy the plug-in model since it costs (after rebates etc) the same as the non plug-in models. The plug-ins are usually more loaded / optioned as well, so that's another incentive.
SageBrush said:What would you have bought without the PHEV incentive ?RonSwanson said:I picked up a RAV4 Prime a couple weeks ago and will definitely be different from those in the survey. I'll do probably 95%+ EV driving only after the 600 mile break-in period. But yes, the majority aren't going to plug-in much and just buy the plug-in model since it costs (after rebates etc) the same as the non plug-in models. The plug-ins are usually more loaded / optioned as well, so that's another incentive.
By the way, the RAV Prime has the potential to be an outstanding environmental and value choice. I thought about buying one also, until I realized that the ICE would be useless in our household. You might also find, as we did with our Prime and many others do with their PHEVs, that the daily EV operation reminds you every day just how much ICE sucks. If you find yourself trying to avoid ICE use no matter how trivial, you have fallen into the PHEV trap.
RonSwanson said:SageBrush said:What would you have bought without the PHEV incentive ?RonSwanson said:I picked up a RAV4 Prime a couple weeks ago and will definitely be different from those in the survey. I'll do probably 95%+ EV driving only after the 600 mile break-in period. But yes, the majority aren't going to plug-in much and just buy the plug-in model since it costs (after rebates etc) the same as the non plug-in models. The plug-ins are usually more loaded / optioned as well, so that's another incentive.
By the way, the RAV Prime has the potential to be an outstanding environmental and value choice. I thought about buying one also, until I realized that the ICE would be useless in our household. You might also find, as we did with our Prime and many others do with their PHEVs, that the daily EV operation reminds you every day just how much ICE sucks. If you find yourself trying to avoid ICE use no matter how trivial, you have fallen into the PHEV trap.
That's really a good question. I looked at EVs too. My other interest was the Tesla 3 but decided against it for a few reasons (no fed tax credits ,not enough range and a just not as big as the RAV4).
I think in the end I'd probably have gotten a RAV4 hybrid. I wanted the extra room the RAV4 offers over cars plus some towing ability and cross bars up top. I probably lied about EV use above on my new Prime. I'll probably go on a few road trips/vacations per year where the gas engine and the ~500 miles or so on a tank will come in handy. So 95% EV driving when I'm not on trips.
My plan is to keep the prime until there's an EV SUV that's more affordable than the Tesla Y and bigger than Kona, Niro etc...
jjeff said:RonSwanson said:SageBrush said:What would you have bought without the PHEV incentive ?
By the way, the RAV Prime has the potential to be an outstanding environmental and value choice. I thought about buying one also, until I realized that the ICE would be useless in our household. You might also find, as we did with our Prime and many others do with their PHEVs, that the daily EV operation reminds you every day just how much ICE sucks. If you find yourself trying to avoid ICE use no matter how trivial, you have fallen into the PHEV trap.
That's really a good question. I looked at EVs too. My other interest was the Tesla 3 but decided against it for a few reasons (no fed tax credits ,not enough range and a just not as big as the RAV4).
I think in the end I'd probably have gotten a RAV4 hybrid. I wanted the extra room the RAV4 offers over cars plus some towing ability and cross bars up top. I probably lied about EV use above on my new Prime. I'll probably go on a few road trips/vacations per year where the gas engine and the ~500 miles or so on a tank will come in handy. So 95% EV driving when I'm not on trips.
My plan is to keep the prime until there's an EV SUV that's more affordable than the Tesla Y and bigger than Kona, Niro etc...
The Rav4 Prime is top of our list, what state do you live in? I've been checking at our local dealer and last I checked a month?? ago, they were not available. Our usage sounds similar, I'd plan on 99% EV around town but the couple times/year 500+ mile trip. With the Rav4 PHEV I'm hoping to get rid of our '07 Prius we use for road trips and one of our Leafs, used by my wife for a 20 mile RT work commute, I could care less abut all the power the Rav4 has but do like the ability to tow a small trailer with it and increased space over our Leaf. I'm happy with the space in the Prius but don't like the low to the ground in/out nor low headroom where I frequently hit my head!
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