WetEV said:
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WetEV said:
As is the fact that a Model T had a one barrel carburetor. A horse owner focusing on this irrelevant "flaw" is FUD.
Unless it's a feature that causes one buyer to choose car A over car B, and that's not irrelevant at all.
Then it matters to that buyer. Yet it is very clear that this isn't a key requirement for most, as many buyers of EVSEs pick the 40A over the 48A units.
I'd probably make the same pick right now, given that a 40A w/plug would buy me some options on a trip. Provide lots of DCFCs and I would opt for the hard-wired 48A, AOTBE. But assuming the price difference is as small as I expect it would be, I'd still opt for a 48A OBC over a 40A, to give me more flexibility and convenience. Everyone will make that judgement for themselves, so we can see how sales go (and what Nissan does in a few years with the Ariya's OBC).
WetEV said:
GRA said:
WetEV said:
I gave you a list - if you can't be bothered to read it or choose to ignore it, that's on you.
So, how's that trip to Glacier or Great Basin or Monument Valley in your e-Tron coming?
Glacier is easy with destination charging. (There is a J1772 as well as a Tesla) How would it work with a fool cell? Oh, that's right, take a rental ICE... If you can get one. Try to rent a car recently? Don't need the Taco Bell sites as well.
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=feaf1ffd-f5bc-4382-ab12-887c6581d405
And all you'd have to do is drive an extra 60 miles so you can charge in Missoula instead of taking the direct route cutting over from St. Regis, and spend the night at a destination chosen because you can charge there. Yeah, no extra time or trip limitations there. :roll:
WetEV said:
Great Basin National Park with destination charging looks more than ok. Smooth and quiet in the BEV, not noisy stinky rattling ICE.
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=6ef8ac22-303e-477a-8b79-db2050ff73f2
Provided you're willing to bet your trip on a single, unreliable DCFC being both working and available, in Jackpot or anywhere else (I'm not); you might want to look at the check-ins there on Plugshare. Not to mention the extra 39 miles/40 minutes of driving from the detour over to W. Wendover instead of going direct S. on U.S. 93, owing to the lack of a DC FC station in Wells; I've been begging EA to add a station there (and Twin Falls, for the people traveling between NorCal/Reno and Grand Teton/Yellowstone, saving over 100 miles vs. going via SLC. BTDT) for a couple of years now, so far without success.
And again, your car is choosing where you stay. In addition to the above sites, an FC station is also wanted in Baker, NV, the gateway to GB. For those of us camping inside the park (we were up at the campground at the road end at 10k feet) , L2 in Baker is only useful if we're desperate.
Plus, at least 1 more charger in Ely, and a FC station in Delta or Hinkley, UT to make getting there from the East easier. A general upgrade of all the DCFCs along U.S. 50 in Nevada is needed to make E-W access reliable.
WetEV said:
Monument Valley is easy with a BEV. Fool cell can't make it.
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=fddcdc53-1a45-4405-b445-0abb9e33cd1a
Yeah, thanks to some new CPs in Utah, you can get there okay from the north, provided you return the same way. Unfortunately, I'm coming from the west and south, and probably continuing on from there. Having driven from Farmington, NM, via Bluff and Monument Valley to the S. rim of the Grand Canyon in an ICE, this is not theoretical for me.
Also, let's see you do the following trip. Drive from Moab (single FC dependency), to the Needles district of Canyonlands (3-day backpack), back out to Monticello (2 FCs) to Blanding then west to Natural Bridges (night in campground, morning day-hiking), drive from there through Capitol Reef, turn left at Torrey and drive to Bryce Canyon (night in campground, day hike in morning), drive to Zion (camp in campground, day hikes for next two days. Zion is fairly well supplied with charging near the campgrounds now). I've done that trip too, in an ICE. Notice the total lack of FCs or even L2s (until Hanksville) from Monticello on that route? It's only 403 miles until the next nearest FC in Kanab, and that only requires a RT 34 mile detour. Or you can show how committed you are, and stretch your battery by driving as slow as possible to the EA station in Washington, UT, just 460 miles from Monticello on this route. Yes sir, no extra time or inconvenience required there.
What's also needed are additional FC stations in Blanding, Hanksville, Torrey, Boulder and/or Escalante, maybe Cannonville, Bryce, and preferably one along U S. 89 between Bryce and Mt. Carmel Junction, plus one in Springdale. These are all gateway towns to NPs/NMs, and there are gas stations in all of them despite an ICE's greater range (they serve locals too, no doubt, but the majority of their business during vacation season is probably tourists).
Of course, an FCEV just needs the necessary infrastructure (and less of it than any current BEV (possibly bar the Lucid) to make the trip, just as any car does. Once it's possible to travel on any such route with plentiful, reliable DCFCs (or H2 stations) all along it, especially but not limited to all gateway towns to national parks and monuments, then such trips will be acceptably practical in a BEV or FCEV.
WetEV said:
The BEV uses less of your time 50 weeks out of the year, and can get to more places than a fool cell the other two weeks. (Adjust based on vacation time used for trips.)
As long as people value their vacation time more highly than their routine time, they will continue to opt for cars that let them go via any route they want and let them eat and stay where they want.