evnow
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Some screenshots here ...
http://www.leafowner.com/Pictures/view/setdisplay/setid/72157624517927854.aspx
http://www.leafowner.com/Pictures/view/setdisplay/setid/72157624517927854.aspx
planet4ever said:I hope I didn't bias the results too much for all you 8-year folk. I am of the opinion that I want nothing to do with today's generation of batteries after 2015, and I made that clear through my answers. In fact I've decided I'm going to lease, and turn my Gen 1 Leaf in on something better in three years -- hopefully early in 2014. So I even told them a 3 year/36K lease would be OK with me!
garygid said:Also, will the warranty be for 5% loss per year, or only for 25% loss, anytime during the warranty period?
I think it is the other way around--they didn't achieve the pollution standards for AT-PZEV, so were not required to provide the 10 year / 150K warranty. See this article:evnow said:To me the other interesting thing to note is that GM decided to warranty "only" for 8 years - even though that removes them from categories like AT-PZEV - which needs 10 year/150K warranty. So, even though Volt uses only 50% of the battery they still couldn't 10 years - or more probably couldn't reach 150K miles.
Stoaty said:I think it is the other way around--they didn't achieve the pollution standards for AT-PZEV, so were not required to provide the 10 year / 150K warranty. See this article:evnow said:To me the other interesting thing to note is that GM decided to warranty "only" for 8 years - even though that removes them from categories like AT-PZEV - which needs 10 year/150K warranty. So, even though Volt uses only 50% of the battery they still couldn't 10 years - or more probably couldn't reach 150K miles.
http://gm-volt.com/2010/07/17/volt-doesnt-meet-carb-designation-californians-lose-5000-tax-incentive/
Please correct me if my understanding of the article is wrong.
I agree with you in part, but I think the target audiences for the two vehicles have a LOT of overlap and, therefore, some comparison is necessary.AndyH said:We really shouldn't try to compare the Volt and Leaf battery, folks. The Volt is a hybrid. The design goals are different and pack use and management goals are different - because the PRIMARY driver for their decisions are emissions management.
I don't think GM wants to make many of these as they're not going to make money for a while and they need to cut their losses as much as possible - they still need to repay the US taxpayer for the ~60% of the company that we own. So - they don't necessarily NEED or WANT to have a bunch of treehuggers buying the car - they'd rather sell pickup trucks and SUVs.
efusco said:If someone wants an EV...
AndyH said:We really shouldn't try to compare the Volt and Leaf battery, folks. The Volt is a hybrid. The design goals are different and pack use and management goals are different
Nubo said:AndyH said:We really shouldn't try to compare the Volt and Leaf battery, folks. The Volt is a hybrid. The design goals are different and pack use and management goals are different
Agreed. Since there's a gas engine ready to kick in, they can more easily afford to discontinue battery drain at a higher SOC, and charge to lower SOC because EV range isn't all that important to them or their drivers. Their batteries will lead more sheltered lives. And plenty of Volt owners, imho, will drift away from pre-charging and use the car primarily in Hybrid mode. If GM has made that same prediction, they will have taken that into account for warranty purposes.
Stoaty said:I think it is the other way around--they didn't achieve the pollution standards for AT-PZEV, so were not required to provide the 10 year / 150K warranty. See this article:
http://gm-volt.com/2010/07/17/volt-doesnt-meet-carb-designation-californians-lose-5000-tax-incentive/
Please correct me if my understanding of the article is wrong.
DaveinOlyWA said:i wonder if the Nissan has tested the battery to reliably last 8 years but wants to minimize the potential liability due to owner misuse?
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