bernie82
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Regardless of the color of the bars, the only thing that matters is actual driving range. If you can get about 80 miles of range on the freeway at 60 miles an hour you have full battery capacity.
Turns out there are laws against this in the USA.Caracalover said:Why can't Nissan do this? At the test drive I went to (First one in Santa Monica) they planned on that kind of thing - lease the battery, buy the car.
adric22 said:Turns out there are laws against this in the USA.Caracalover said:Why can't Nissan do this? At the test drive I went to (First one in Santa Monica) they planned on that kind of thing - lease the battery, buy the car.
Then the laws need to be changed, or another company needs to be made to handle this situation. I would like to see what the law says, and why it was put in place. My first thought is the oil companies had something to do with it...adric22 said:Turns out there are laws against this in the USA.Caracalover said:Why can't Nissan do this? At the test drive I went to (First one in Santa Monica) they planned on that kind of thing - lease the battery, buy the car.
Hmm, I just ran the numbers, and I guess you're right on the cost, at least on base versions of both. In a slightly non-apples to apples comparison, going by MSRP, a base PiP (which comes with nav) vs. a non-nav equipped '13 Volt ends up being only ~$2200 less because the Federal tax credit is only $2500 on a PiP vs. $7500 for a Volt. Unfortunately, the tax credit doesn't help people who don't have enough tax liability...adric22 said:cwerdna said:The PiP w/its smaller battery capacity means very few are going to spring for or feel the need to pay for an EVSE to installed at home since it's doesn't take long to charge at 120 volts vs. the Volt, where people might be more compelled to.
THere really isn't that much advantage on the Volt either. After all, an overnight charge on 120V will always fill up the battery. And it isn't like you have to worry about being able to recharge during the day or be stranded somewhere.
The PiP simply doesn't compete in my opinion simply because it costs nearly the same as a Volt. Had the PiP come out and been $3,000 more expensive than a similarly equipped non-plug in prius as Toyota originally said, I think it would be a big hit.
I'm still amazed at the guts of people who commit to a $40k new car when they're living on less than $5k/month income. Or the gall of people who earn more than that and work the system so they don't pay their share of taxes.cwerdna said:In a slightly non-apples to apples comparison, going by MSRP, a base PiP (which comes with nav) vs. a non-nav equipped '13 Volt ends up being only ~$2200 less because the Federal tax credit is only $2500 on a PiP vs. $7500 for a Volt. Unfortunately, the tax credit doesn't help people who don't have enough tax liability...
cwerdna said:^^^
FWIW, I'm not working at the moment but have PLENTY of savings (for MANY years, if needed). But, my current income is quite low (previously was not) and the tax credit can't be carried over to future years. That's part what'd be blocking me from buying a car where there's such a tax credit, or buying it too late in a year, when I start working again.
cwerdna said:^^^
FWIW, I'm not working at the moment but have PLENTY of savings (for MANY years, if needed). But, my current income is quite low (previously was not) and the tax credit can't be carried over to future years. That's part what'd be blocking me from buying a car where there's such a tax credit, or buying it too late in a year, when I start working again.
planet4ever said:I'm still amazed at the guts of people who commit to a $40k new car when they're living on less than $5k/month income. Or the gall of people who earn more than that and work the system so they don't pay their share of taxes.cwerdna said:In a slightly non-apples to apples comparison, going by MSRP, a base PiP (which comes with nav) vs. a non-nav equipped '13 Volt ends up being only ~$2200 less because the Federal tax credit is only $2500 on a PiP vs. $7500 for a Volt. Unfortunately, the tax credit doesn't help people who don't have enough tax liability...
Ray
As others have pointed out, income and wealth are not the same thing. I am retired so my income is essentially zero. I live off of savings and investments. By being thrifty and budgeting carefully for many years I saved up for my LEAF purchase (the line item in my budget is "car replacement fund"). To qualify for the tax credit I boosted my taxable income with an IRA to Roth IRA transfer (I'd have to pay those taxes someday, albeit at a slightly lower rate).planet4ever said:I'm still amazed at the guts of people who commit to a $40k new car when they're living on less than $5k/month income. Or the gall of people who earn more than that and work the system so they don't pay their share of taxes.
Ray
No there isn't. The only "legal" stumbling block was that the battery leasing scenario wasn't compatible with the way the $7500 tax credit was written.adric22 said:Turns out there are laws against this in the USA.Caracalover said:Why can't Nissan do this? At the test drive I went to (First one in Santa Monica) they planned on that kind of thing - lease the battery, buy the car.
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