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150 is reality in about 2 years or Leaf is history. And I suspect Nissan knows that too.
Model E baby!
Model E baby!
adric22 said:I do not remember this exact discussion. However, there was a long thread here based on a survey that Nissan sent out asking people their opinions on a EPA 150 mile Leaf (not 125 as you stated). There was also a news story a while back where Nissan was using a Leaf at a racetrack or something and said it had a 48Kwh battery pack (which should give about 150 miles range) But nobody was able to get a close look at the car.BoulderLeaf said:I hope this isn't the wrong forum, but I wanted to ask about something I recall reading about. It was a discussion here on the forum (I think) but I could not find it in my searches. I recall hearing about someone who had claims to have talked to a technician who worked at a company that provides support for quick chargers in the Phoenix area. They said that this technician reported that he had worked on a QC that Nissan was using to test a newer, bigger battery with 150 miles of range (this was before the recent survey and other comments about 125 miles of range, etc).!
Stoaty said:Could be this:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6494&p=318656&hilit=tech#p318656" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
TomT said:Yep, they are all, almost without any exception, just that: Unfounded rumors with no substantiation.
Hey, I heard from a technician at a dealer who heard form a guy deep inside Nissan who knows someone that he has secret inside info that the next Leaf will be shaped like a Unicorn!
Reddy said:I think you got the right "rumor". However, here is the thread on real testing of the 48 kWh Leaf, no rumor:Stoaty said:Could be this:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6494&p=318656&hilit=tech#p318656" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=14690
FWIW, at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=13264&start=30" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, I linked to a video where a Nissan European exec already stated that the Leaf's range "now is up to 200 kilometers". :roll: That's 124 miles!BoulderLeaf said:Thanks. I realize the survey was regarding 150 miles, but a Nissan exec recently mentions at least 125 miles before the next gen LEAF (so to me this means in 2015, but we'll see).
ILETRIC said:150 is reality in about 2 years or Leaf is history. And I suspect Nissan knows that too.
Model E baby!
Yes, the 70 mile range is good for 90% of your daily driving, but it's that 10% that's total PAIN.
LeftieBiker said:I had a dream in which my Leaf had a 150 mile real world range, but I had to be naked to go that far.
LeftieBiker said:Yes, the 70 mile range is good for 90% of your daily driving, but it's that 10% that's total PAIN.
That's why the Leaf is really only great as a second car, or as an urban/suburban-only car. We have a PIP as well, and while I've only needed to use it once because of range issues, I'd have a lot more anxiety if we didn't have it.
adric22 said:BoulderLeaf said:There was also a news story a while back where Nissan was using a Leaf at a racetrack or something and said it had a 48Kwh battery pack (which should give about 150 miles range) But nobody was able to get a close look at the car.
Weckel said:adric22 said:BoulderLeaf said:There was also a news story a while back where Nissan was using a Leaf at a racetrack or something and said it had a 48Kwh battery pack (which should give about 150 miles range) But nobody was able to get a close look at the car.
That car Leaf is in Spain and don't have a better battery, they have 48kw because in that race was a Mercedes A-Class with a 36kw battery and they don't won loss. And the Leaf was with the interior full of battery, nothing confortable, and don't was a official proyect of Nissan.
WetEV said:mkjayakumar said:Nissan has a bigger problem of accelerated battery degradation that they have to fix, before entertaining any thoughts of longer range.
Larger battery makes battery degradation less of an issue.
Suppose your commute is 50 miles. No problem with an 80 mile range initially, even in cooler weather. But as the battery gets close to EOL at 70%, you will be pushing the range hard, as the car's range will drop to 56 miles, and that is 100% to turtle. Very little margin, even on a good day.
Same commute, with a 160 mile initial range. EOL 70% battery will have 112 mile range, no problem making that commute.
The reason why the faster battery degradation than promised hurt at lot of drivers is that many bought/leased without a thought for the commute with an EOL battery on a cold day.
If I was writing the EPA range sticker rules, the range would be quoted with an EOL battery. Oh, and what EOL percentage to pick? The one that is warrantied, of course.
LakeLeaf said:WetEV said:Larger battery makes battery degradation less of an issue.
Your argument is only valid for people who bought a Leaf based on a commute distance of the current range. As soon as a longer range Leaf comes out, people with a longer commute will purchase it and battery degradation will be just as big a factor to them as it is to current owners.
LakeLeaf said:Your argument is only valid for people who bought a Leaf based on a commute distance of the current range. As soon as a longer range Leaf comes out, people with a longer commute will purchase it and battery degradation will be just as big a factor to them as it is to current owners.
adric22 said:I think the number of people buying a Leaf with the intent to drive over 100 miles per day (assuming the 150 mile battery) would still be very small. In fact, I'll make a prediction right now. Most of the people that are put off by the current range of the Leaf already fall well within the daily driving needs already. ...
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