mortisier said:1992 Blue Isuzu trooper 18 mpg. WoW
Thats why I bought it for the snow! with two sets of chains it was un-stopable in the mountainsredLEAF said:mortisier said:1992 Blue Isuzu trooper 18 mpg. WoW
somewhat rare ... I previously owned an '85 and then '86 Trooper II (they dropped the II later on); yours was a gen II that got the bigger engine but lower mileage; I managed low 20's MPG but it was a bit of a slug and the last one the cylinder head warped so dumped it and went to minivan's for awhile. They were great in snow though!
The savings are minimal over a high mileage gas car in the long run, since I like to keep my cars for ten years or more.
A Leaf kept that long will need at least one battery replacement, possibly two or more.CO2Free said:The savings are minimal over a high mileage gas car in the long run, since I like to keep my cars for ten years or more.
Although I respect your opinion and decision, I have to point out that the longer you hold on to a LEAF the greater your savings will inherently be. So citing the long length of time that you keep your cars actually works against your point.
A Leaf kept that long will need at least one battery replacement, possibly two or more.
Redsparky said:New to the forum,
Parked a 2003 Lexus GX470.
The Leaf cannot replace its functionality.
One and only leaf, will not have another! The savings are minimal over a high mileage gas car in the long run, since I like to keep my cars for ten years or more.
What's that about renting a car from Nissan for free? Some sort of special deal you got with your purchase?ev007 said:2012 Golf R and 2012 Leaf SL. With more charging stations in my area and the ability to rent a car for free for 10 days from Nissan now, I don't need to keep an ICE on the side. Even if it was super fun to drive and did get good gas mileage.
GRA said:...keep my cars for ten years or more.
A Leaf kept that long will need at least one battery replacement, possibly two or more.
Sure, we can look at the extremes and find somewhere that it won't be an issue. Maybe you live in the PNW and your daily mileage need is so limited that 10 years of degradation won't inconvenience you. But taking the U.S. as a whole, there is no way the average Leaf battery is going to make 10 years of usable life, and selling the car is going to be problematic. You've got to find someone who's willing to take a car that you probably no longer find useful, with a battery that's going to suffer an increasing rate of degradation owing to deeper discharges to go the same distance. I expect the value of a 10-year old Leaf w/original battery to be minimal. Maybe there will be a substantial market for severely range-limited cars for new teenage drivers by then; ISTM more likely they'll be in self-driving cars so they can text/tweet away without endangering anyone else.WetEV said:GRA said:...keep my cars for ten years or more.
A Leaf kept that long will need at least one battery replacement, possibly two or more.
Oh? Doesn't that depend on where you live? Two in Phoenix, AZ, perhaps. But what about, say Philadelphia, PA, with expected battery life near ten years? Might you decide to sell the car rather than putting in a new battery someplace around 10 years? Or Bellingham, WA, not needing a battery for 14 years? This is based on the battery aging model:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/wiki/index.php?title=Battery_Capacity_Loss#Battery_Aging_Model" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
GRA said:Sure, we can look at the extremes and find somewhere that it won't be an issue. Maybe you live in the PNW and your daily mileage need is so limited that 10 years of degradation won't inconvenience you.WetEV said:GRA said:A Leaf kept that long will need at least one battery replacement, possibly two or more.
Oh? Doesn't that depend on where you live? Two in Phoenix, AZ, perhaps. But what about, say Philadelphia, PA, with expected battery life near ten years? Might you decide to sell the car rather than putting in a new battery someplace around 10 years? Or Bellingham, WA, not needing a battery for 14 years? This is based on the battery aging model:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/wiki/index.php?title=Battery_Capacity_Loss#Battery_Aging_Model" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
GRA said:But taking the U.S. as a whole, there is no way the average Leaf battery is going to make 10 years of usable life, and selling the car is going to be problematic. You've got to find someone who's willing to take a car that you probably no longer find useful, with a battery that's going to suffer an increasing rate of degradation owing to deeper discharges to go the same distance. I expect the value of a 10-year old Leaf w/original battery to be minimal.
dgpcolorado said:What's that about renting a car from Nissan for free? Some sort of special deal you got with your purchase?ev007 said:2012 Golf R and 2012 Leaf SL. With more charging stations in my area and the ability to rent a car for free for 10 days from Nissan now, I don't need to keep an ICE on the side. Even if it was super fun to drive and did get good gas mileage.
Redsparky said:New to the forum,
Parked a 2003 Lexus GX470.
The Leaf cannot replace its functionality.
One and only leaf, will not have another! The savings are minimal over a high mileage gas car in the long run, since I like to keep my cars for ten years or more.
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