Valdemar
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Thanks guys for your support, I really need it now Thoughts of ESFLOW and i-3 crossed my mind as well, so at the very least the future looks interesting.
TonyWilliams said:I went to the dealership today to show my adult son the A-E. He didn't fit in the backseat, and with him and I in the front seats, you aren't putting anybody but an infant in the backseats (only 2, LEAF has 3).
He pointed out what I already knew... no storage area, and limited backseat people area.
I bought 2 teak chairs tonight, with cushions, and hauled them and an 18 inch square container of Girls Scout cookies, my wife and daughter, and myself in the LEAF. It truly is a remarkable car.
I'm not sure this car will do what I really want it to do. I'd prefer, I think, a Rav4-EV, with even bigger battery, and bigger hauling capacity than the LEAF... plus 6.6 charger.
Next week, I'll be picking up the teak chest in the LEAF.
Clippy said:I expect my long term testing will confirm what I figured out on my 1/2 hour BMW test drive. That the Leaf is a very nice piece of work, in desperate need of an extra couple hundred pounds of battery.
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trooplewis;2359 said:But for average, no-worry driving, I think 80-85 miles is quite do-able.
**NOTE** We were in Eco-Mode. If you remove Eco-Mode, est mileage in the cars computer drops by about 30%.
BTW, the customer was VERY happy about this. In his current Leaf, he is uncomfortable going over 60 miles on a full charge, and says 66 miles is pushing it to the limit.
Tony. The ActiveE has nothing to do with AC Propulsion. The drive is designed and built by BMW. It is a DC Brushless motor, same as in the LEAF. Not an Inductive drive as used in the t-Zero drive made by AC Propulsion.TonyWilliams said:...I don't want to let one person's account of the 3350 pound LEAF to go unchallenged. The 4000 pound AC Propulsion converted BMW 1 series car with a 1/3 larger battery does not go 1/3 further than a LEAF...
The LEAF has an 80kW AC synchronous electric motor.KeiJidosha said:The drive is designed and built by BMW. It is a DC Brushless motor, same as in the LEAF.
TonyWilliams said:I cancelled my A-E order today. Several reasons, but number one is that I only expect a very small increase in range over the LEAF, for a big loss in utility. Plus, no $2500 from the state.
ActiveE is designed to be a bridge to the i3. MINI E leases needed to be extended 3 times as ActiveE was later than anticipated. ActiveE leases will be eligible to trade up to the i3 when available. It is easier for BMW to shorten a lease (convert to i3) than to extend it.Clippy said:... There are a number of unanswered questions concerning the ActiveE. The first being why would they be leasing the vehicle that contains the i3 prototype drive train for 24 months if the i3 is to be released next year...
... I am growing less enamored of the Tesla solution and am becoming more attracted to a BEVx of the type that the i3 is purported to be...
TonyWilliams said:I cancelled my A-E order today. Several reasons, but number one is that I only expect a very small increase in range over the LEAF, for a big loss in utility. Plus, no $2500 from the state.
Clippy said:If we are to believe the rumors, the cars are here in CA. But then my Leaf took a loooong time to go from SoCal to Petaluma.
TonyWilliams said:Not that impressive for a 32 or 33 kWh battery. I get 26.15kWh total useable from the following report. Obviously, until somebody runs one all the way to dead, we won't know for sure. It appears to me that they are using the same technique as GM did with the Volt, of a battery physically much larger that what you can use. What's different is that BMW is advertising it as the larger size, with a seemingly much smaller actual capacity.
For reference, our LEAF's 24kW advertised capacity battery can provide over 21kWh to the user (87.5%).
BMW ActiveE- 26.15 / 33 = 79.25%
3.8 miles per kw(h)
92 mile(s)
8% left on state of charge (so let's assume 100 miles range)
65 degrees and windy
75% on freeway at 75-80mph
25% on curvy country roads
100 / 3.8 = 26.15
Ouch - why didn't they slowly limit regen as SOC/temperature rises like the LEAF? Suddenly turning it on/off is crazy.Valdemar said:Turns out AE's strong regen can be turned off, too bad it happens automatically and when you don't expect it:
http://forum.bmwactivatethefuture.com/showthread.php?t=869" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
drees said:Ouch - why didn't they slowly limit regen as SOC/temperature rises like the LEAF? Suddenly turning it on/off is crazy.Valdemar said:Turns out AE's strong regen can be turned off, too bad it happens automatically and when you don't expect it:
http://forum.bmwactivatethefuture.com/showthread.php?t=869" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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