DNAinaGoodWay
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In the great white north, we'd prefer a battery warmer. But at least there's no grill that needs to be blocked off.
DNAinaGoodWay said:In the great white north, we'd prefer a battery warmer. But at least there's no grill that needs to be blocked off.
Interesting observation. All conversions are 100 mile city range (except Tesla ones). I think this has a lot of merit - apart from the fact that using today's technology 100 city miles is the sweet spot in terms of cost, weight & volume.Berlino said:If I'm not mistaken, once you achieve 100 miles range on the city test, no bonus ZEV credits are awarded until you get to at least 200 miles. There's simply too little incentive to sell a BEV with a 30-45 kWh battery. The RAV4 has a 40 kWh one only because that's the smallest battery Tesla had on hand to sell them.
Actually, a good amount of air flows through the grill and through around the battery pack. You might try grill blocking in the winter to keep battery temps up.DNAinaGoodWay said:In the great white north, we'd prefer a battery warmer. But at least there's no grill that needs to be blocked off.
drees said:Actually, a good amount of air flows through the grill and through around the battery pack. You might try grill blocking in the winter to keep battery temps up.DNAinaGoodWay said:In the great white north, we'd prefer a battery warmer. But at least there's no grill that needs to be blocked off.
kubel said:http://...There is a possibility that this won't just be a compliance car if dealers are investing in infrastructure in Colorado.
...The 2015 Kia Soul EV will go on sale between July and September in selected regions, although Kia said it hoped to offer the vehicle in additional markets “in the near future” as demand and charging infrastructure permitted.
Among them are California and Oregon, along with a handful of Eastern states where electric cars are already selling relatively well: New York, New Jersey, and Maryland among them..
RonDawg said:GRA said:27kWh, 360V/96 cells, 200Wh/kg Li-NMC polymer chemistry with graphite anode, gel electrolyte and ceramic separators, air-cooled.
Sounds like the Leaf might have some company in the premature battery degradation department.
edatoakrun said:kubel said:http://...There is a possibility that this won't just be a compliance car if dealers are investing in infrastructure in Colorado.
For now, I give Hyundai/Kia the benefit of the doubt, that the Soul is intended to be a legitimate mass-production BEV.
edatoakrun said:If the Soul EV turns out to be produced and sold in only very small numbers, you can throw it into the compliance car junkpile, along with all the other BEVs sold in the USA (so far) by Honda, Toyota, GM, Ford, Fiat/Chrysler, VW, Mercedes...
kubel said:edatoakrun said:If the Soul EV turns out to be produced and sold in only very small numbers, you can throw it into the compliance car junkpile, along with all the other BEVs sold in the USA (so far) by Honda, Toyota, GM, Ford, Fiat/Chrysler, VW, Mercedes...
Ford Focus Electric is available outside of CARB-states, so I don't think I would classify it as a compliance car. Initially when it was released, it was CARB-only, but the same can be said of the LEAF initially as well.
I don't think KIA would have unveiled the car at Chicago if they didn't have plans to sell it at least to the mid-west ...
The Focus EV has always been overpriced and also never advertised. I've seen a couple of them around here in DF/W. But now that they have lowered the price another $6,000 I wouldn't be surprised if they start selling a little better.redLEAF said:Two points mentioned ... the FFE has been available a fairly long time after the LEAF came to town in Chicago but not much interest at the Ford dealer's (at least all the ones I stopped in to in the NW 'burbs) plus it never offered at QC (standard or as an option); was a 'converted' ICE with much smaller cargo space (due to the batteries) and has always sold in much smaller numbers than the LEAF. It may not be a true just 'compliance' car but not a lot of interest; much more so in the C-Max and now Fusion PHEV's which sell in larger numbers.
kubel said:edatoakrun said:If the Soul EV turns out to be produced and sold in only very small numbers, you can throw it into the compliance car junkpile, along with all the other BEVs sold in the USA (so far) by Honda, Toyota, GM, Ford, Fiat/Chrysler, VW, Mercedes...
Ford Focus Electric is available outside of CARB-states, so I don't think I would classify it as a compliance car. Initially when it was released, it was CARB-only, but the same can be said of the LEAF initially as well.
I don't think KIA would have unveiled the car at Chicago if they didn't have plans to sell it at least to the mid-west. They will probably start with CARB-states and ramp up from there to play catch up with Nissan. I think they have a competitive product, but I think Nissan will leap frog them with 150-mile range as soon as the Soul starts catching on.
DaveinOlyWA said:why does compliance mean "not widespread?" just because the car can supposedly be had in all the states does not move it out of compliance mode.
I think KIA smells like a compliance car. I doubt you will see it anywhere other than CA (and may one or 2 other states).kubel said:I don't think KIA would have unveiled the car at Chicago if they didn't have plans to sell it at least to the mid-west. They will probably start with CARB-states and ramp up from there to play catch up with Nissan. I think they have a competitive product, but I think Nissan will leap frog them with 150-mile range as soon as the Soul starts catching on.
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