Not quite 10x LEAF speed. FTFYEVDRIVER said:Wow! Not quite LEAF speed but fast.
Not quite 10x LEAF speed. FTFYEVDRIVER said:Wow! Not quite LEAF speed but fast.
SageBrush said:Is "emerging" the PC way to say POS when discussing the LEAF ? Because I assure you, my Tesla is a wonderful car today and I expect it to be a wonderful car in 8 years.DaveinOlyWA said:SageBrush said:But then you get to spend that amount *again* in 8 years. And at least for the first 8 years you have a hobbled car that is only good for local duties.
I don't see the value.
I don't see the desire to keep an 8 year old car that is part of emerging technology. I guess we all have a blind side.
That is my opinion too, although for a local car I'm very happy with my $6,300 24 kWh LEAF.golfcart said:I think as a second car/commuter the 40kWh Leaf is a better value just because it's a lot cheaper but as a primary vehicle there is no doubt the Tesla is way more viable especially over the long term.
SageBrush said:That is my opinion too, although for a local car I'm very happy with my $6,300 24 kWh LEAF.golfcart said:I think as a second car/commuter the 40kWh Leaf is a better value just because it's a lot cheaper but as a primary vehicle there is no doubt the Tesla is way more viable especially over the long term.
Perhaps in 5 years I'll be able to buy a 40 kWh LEAF for $6,300.
My wife took the same stance as yours but we decided to agree to disagree and just the sell the first car someone wanted. The LEAF stayed and the Prius Prime went to a new home. She now is quite pleased with how things turned out since she has adopted the EV lifestyle and appreciates the money saved. She also likes the fact that I no longer come into the house after an oil change.lpickup said:SageBrush said:That is my opinion too, although for a local car I'm very happy with my $6,300 24 kWh LEAF.golfcart said:I think as a second car/commuter the 40kWh Leaf is a better value just because it's a lot cheaper but as a primary vehicle there is no doubt the Tesla is way more viable especially over the long term.
Perhaps in 5 years I'll be able to buy a 40 kWh LEAF for $6,300.
Yeah, tried to convince my wife that a LEAF was entirely sufficient for a second car given that we have the LR Model 3 for trips, but she was insistent that she had a car with over 200 miles of range, so we ended up with a Bolt (would have been a Hyundai Kona EV, but her lease ran out before they started selling them--actually she would have gone for a SR Model 3 if the lease was still going!)
That caught my attention too, but I would not care about it if I lived in a temperate climate like CA. In fact, I would appreciate not paying for something I would never use. Since CA is a HUGE market for Tesla your argument that demand for that model will be poor reads like sour grapes.golfcart said:I'm still kind of angry at Elon for not putting heated seats in the $35k model. It makes me wonder if they actually want to sell any of those or if they just want to say they kept their promise.
SageBrush said:That caught my attention too, but I would not care about it if I lived in a temperate climate like CA. In fact, I would appreciate not paying for something I would never use. Since CA is a HUGE market for Tesla your argument that demand for that model will be poor reads like sour grapes.golfcart said:I'm still kind of angry at Elon for not putting heated seats in the $35k model. It makes me wonder if they actually want to sell any of those or if they just want to say they kept their promise.
IIRC, a $2,000 upgrade that includes a better interior, heated seats, and a larger battery is offered. That strikes me as the sweet spot in value.
I'm not sure about that at all. Look at what the customer gets for $2,000:golfcart said:I do think they'd prefer to sell the $37k version.
SageBrush said:I'm not sure about that at all. Look at what the customer gets for $2,000:golfcart said:I do think they'd prefer to sell the $37k version.
5.3 second 0 -60 (instead of 5.6)
20 more EPA range miles
12-way *power* adjustable seats
Heated front seats
LED fog-lights
Upgraded Audio
Upgraded interior materials
I don't speak for everybody.golfcart said:Why offer it then? Nobody expected that trim.
SageBrush said:As I said, the $37k Model 3 is a sweet spot in value.
SageBrush said:That caught my attention too, but I would not care about it if I lived in a temperate climate like CA. In fact, I would appreciate not paying for something I would never use. Since CA is a HUGE market for Tesla your argument that demand for that model will be poor reads like sour grapes.golfcart said:I'm still kind of angry at Elon for not putting heated seats in the $35k model. It makes me wonder if they actually want to sell any of those or if they just want to say they kept their promise.
IIRC, a $2,000 upgrade that includes a better interior, heated seats, and a larger battery is offered. That strikes me as the sweet spot in value.
golfcart said:Why offer it then? Nobody expected that trim.
DaveinOlyWA said:SageBrush said:That caught my attention too, but I would not care about it if I lived in a temperate climate like CA. In fact, I would appreciate not paying for something I would never use. Since CA is a HUGE market for Tesla your argument that demand for that model will be poor reads like sour grapes.golfcart said:I'm still kind of angry at Elon for not putting heated seats in the $35k model. It makes me wonder if they actually want to sell any of those or if they just want to say they kept their promise.
IIRC, a $2,000 upgrade that includes a better interior, heated seats, and a larger battery is offered. That strikes me as the sweet spot in value.
Having spent a lot of years in California, I can assure you your contention that seat heaters are not needed is quite wrong. Our ability to adapt is quite small. A Washingtonian visiting California wouldn't need seat heaters but Californians would.
I remember jumping out of bed to stand in front of the wall heater (only heat in my apartment) to warm up because I was freezing. The temperature? 65º
I was born in CA, and I can assure you your statement is nonsense. I didn't even now that car seaters existed until I left the state.DaveinOlyWA said:Having spent a lot of years in California, I can assure you your contention that seat heaters are not needed is quite wrong.
lpickup said:golfcart said:Why offer it then? Nobody expected that trim.
I'll go back to a statement I made earlier (not sure if it was here or somewhere else), but if a $35K car was promised in 2016, in today's dollars that would be $36,707.
golfcart said:I agreed with Sagebrush that the SR plus was the best value my only disagreement was that Tesla actually wanted to sell a lot of $35k models. I don't think they do. I think they made the SR plus such a no brainier that most everyone will get the $2k upgrade. I think the $35k SR is made simply for hype and to fulfill the promise he made years ago but I doubt they make any money on it.
lpickup said:golfcart said:I agreed with Sagebrush that the SR plus was the best value my only disagreement was that Tesla actually wanted to sell a lot of $35k models. I don't think they do. I think they made the SR plus such a no brainier that most everyone will get the $2k upgrade. I think the $35k SR is made simply for hype and to fulfill the promise he made years ago but I doubt they make any money on it.
I totally agree. I think it was a mistake in the first place to make a promise of $35K at some point (at least 2 years) in the future without at least leaving an out for inflation. I am sure they don't want to sell it.
On the other hand, it seems like with everything they bundled in to the SR+ package, they probably wouldn't want to sell that either! I can't see how they would make any more profit on SR+ than they would on SR.
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