mikeEmike
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You're entitled to your opinion, just like I am. And you can call it "proper", but that's your opinion.donald said:I hold a 'proper' opinion of Tesla in my rightful capacity as a potential consumer.
You're entitled to your opinion, just like I am. And you can call it "proper", but that's your opinion.donald said:I hold a 'proper' opinion of Tesla in my rightful capacity as a potential consumer.
That's not how totalitarianism works. You would have to be the one living in a totalitarian state in order to have your rights denied for something like this, not me.donald said:No.
It is not an 'opinion' that I am a potential consumer, and therefore have a proper opinion about my choice as a consumer, it is a fact.
You are free to disagree that my opinion is correct or not, of course you are, but you are not at liberty to disagree that I can have an opinion. I have a rightful and proper status to hold an opinion as a consumer, because I am one!
..... unless you live in a totalitarian state and wish to deny me the rights of a consumer?
mikeEmike said:That's not how totalitarianism works.... I'm done with this tangent.
kubel said:mikeEmike said:That's not how totalitarianism works.... I'm done with this tangent.
No, don't stop now. We are merely a post or two away from Godwin's law. Quick- someone mention Hitler or Nazis or something- we were almost there with totalitarianism.
padamson1 said:I think this has been discussed at length on another thread, but I don't think this article, which has some interesting reasoning and a lot of comments, was included:
http://insideevs.com/real-imagined-tesla-model-s-drivetrain-defective/.
I don't feel that's a fair statement at all.ILETRIC said:Some potentially serious mechanical issues have reportedly started to crop up in the Tesla Model S.
What's known as a "milling sound," is that of the drive unit, and it needs to be replaced every 10,000 miles.
At http://insideevs.com/real-imagined-tesla-model-s-drivetrain-defective/#comment-494013" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, I seepadamson1 said:I think this has been discussed at length on another thread, but I don't think this article, which has some interesting reasoning and a lot of comments, was included:
http://insideevs.com/real-imagined-tesla-model-s-drivetrain-defective/.
75 drive train replacements represents 0.25% of shipped Tesla Model S's so it may not be as bad as the guys shorting Tesla stock say it is...
Later on he points to http://www.pluginamerica.org/surveys/batteries/model-s/results.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. I downloaded the tab separated data near the bottom. There were 264 entries. For the motor_swapped field, there were 42 with YES (via the simple COUNTIF function after I imported it into Excel). That equals 15.9%.Anton Wahlman
July 22, 2014 at 9:50 am
Tom Saxton’s survey of 256 Model S owners yielded 13% drivetrain replacements.
ILETRIC said:Some potentially serious mechanical issues have reportedly started to crop up in the Tesla Model S.
What's known as a "milling sound," is that of the drive unit, and it needs to be replaced every 10,000 miles.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/07/20/will-a-major-drive-unit-problem-decimate-tesla-mot.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
No, that's why I merged that thread into this one - because it's already been discussed a billion times. For some reason it's only now just hit the mainstream media.donald said:Maybe need more than one thread now for this model?
you and anyone else who thinks and is not one of the fan boyzILETRIC said:Oh! So that's where my post went.
Didn't know about the thread and/or the problem with Tesla. An eye-opener for me. 13 to 16% drive train failure is quite shocking, actually. I wonder if or how it will affect development of Model III.
I agree. Tesla has an impressive team of top notch engineers, so I do have faith that they will get to the bottom of this. In the meantime, I agree with others that Tesla should warrant the powertrain, at no additional charge, for a much longer time period, to maintain consumer confidence.ILETRIC said:13 to 16% drive train failure is quite shocking, actually.
ILETRIC said:What's known as a "milling sound," is that of the drive unit, and it needs to be replaced every 10,000 miles.
ILETRIC said:While we're on the subject. I mentioned this before: A 6-ft adult, such as myself, cannot sit in the S model back seat w/o hitting the roof. This is why we also passed on Insight when it came out a few years ago.
If I can't sit in the back, car is a no-go. I can even sit in the rear of my Spark EV with no overhead problem. So that somehow needs fixing as well. Maybe a new gen S model in the future will address it. I am sure the X, being an SUV, won't have this problem. Curious to see what Model III will look like in that regard.
interesting! in all the years and all the cars that I've owned I can count on my hand the times I've sat in the back seat of my car. as for the tesla, I have had 6ft + people back there and there wasn't any complaintsILETRIC said:While we're on the subject. I mentioned this before: A 6-ft adult, such as myself, cannot sit in the S model back seat w/o hitting the roof. This is why we also passed on Insight when it came out a few years ago.
If I can't sit in the back, car is a no-go. I can even sit in the rear of my Spark EV with no overhead problem. So that somehow needs fixing as well. Maybe a new gen S model in the future will address it. I am sure the X, being an SUV, won't have this problem. Curious to see what Model III will look like in that regard.
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