DaveinOlyWA said:
frontrangeleaf said:
salyavin said:
Just remember a regular gasoline fuel gauge empty does not mean empty it means some mysterious reserve left. Manufacturers did that for the lowest common denominator to stop them being stranded on the side of a road. I had a discussion with a tow truck driver at an EV related thing and he said he has been called many times over the years for people just running out of gas more than I would believe. He personally has never had to tow an EV due to being out of power yet, I am sure that is just due to the lower percentage of electric vehicles in the area and a higher percentage of early adopters watching power so closely. Anyway there is a reason 0% charge display is not 0%, it is to scare you into charging. I personally want the lowest common denominator to drive EVs.
For a LEAF if you want to real numbers there is a wonderful app called LEAF spy.
True enough. But one of the bigger differences is an EV with a flat battery on the side of the road cannot be easily recharged far enough to make it to the next charger, whereas a gerry can with a gallon of gas is sufficient to get an ICE back on the road with enough range to make the next gas station.
The consequences of running to really empty are a lot bigger for EV drivers.
LOL!! OMG...Have you looked at the calendar lately? Your scenario was copied from the pages of Oil Digest :lol:
You say that like sitting on the side of the road waiting for emergency gas is a minor inconvenience. You are HILARIOUS
Happy to provide some levity. You're welcome.
My point was simply that it's an easier thing for anyone - tow truck driver, owner, neighbor, wife, whomever, to go fetch a can of gas, even 1 gallon will do. No tow necessary. No special equipment necessary. Everyone is familiar with how to get out of that situation.
What options exist to rapidly add enough charge to get you 10 miles or whatever to the nearest charger? AAA is now offering limited mobile service with generators capable of 240v @ 30 amps. That's a ~7kw generator, well beyond what your average Joe has in his garage or on his RV.
Sure, Home Depot has them - they run about $800 and weight 200#. Piece of cake. Yeah I got a spare one of those laying around. How about you? You can hook up a 1kw 120v Honda if you like. Have fun with that. Call me when you're all set up. I'll bring you a cup of coffee while you wait.
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Running out of gas is damn inconvenient. Running out of charge is even more inconvenient - still, today. You really care to argue this? Mr. Hilarious?
Of course the smart thing to do is to not run out of range, and yes it's gotten way easier - there are way more charge points, and EVs go farther today. Duh. But people are still doing it every day. Same as they run out of gas every day.
I never intended to imply this was some kind of show stopper. Of course it isn't. It just raises the stakes in the minds of people who haven't actually driven an EV. Pretending these aren't real concerns doesn't make them any less real.