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Anyone who has gone through the process, how long did you have to wait for Morley to contact you? My arbitration specialist said on Dec 13th that Morley would contact me "within 14 business days", and that's long passed. Not sure if Morley had some Christmas-related delay or this is just par for the course. Alternatively, wondering if the Nissan rep dropped the ball.

Did anyone ever get any contact info to contact Morley directly?
 
Anyone who has gone through the process, how long did you have to wait for Morley to contact you? My arbitration specialist said on Dec 13th that Morley would contact me "within 14 business days", and that's long passed. Not sure if Morley had some Christmas-related delay or this is just par for the course. Alternatively, wondering if the Nissan rep dropped the ball.

Did anyone ever get any contact info to contact Morley directly?
You should contact them again
 
Im confused about when/how Nissan and team decide which of all these paths to take. About 1 year or maybe 1.5 years ago We had our 2017 SL 30KWH thrown the battery code after having lots of pain with messed up actual range. After reading lots on the boards I started to develop hope my dealer would end up replacing the battery pack with the 40KWH - but instead they ended up going in and replacing just the cell group/module.
We now seem to be headed towards 8 bars before the 8 years (I think I have until march 2025 and we are ~45k miles and 9 bars) assuming I make it - based on this I read it 'feels' like they would either put in a 40k or buy back - but I fear they will do another cherry pick a module to get back to 9 bar.
Any insight on why some people get new batteries, some buy back offer, and some people/places a cell module?
 
Any insight on why some people get new batteries, some buy back offer, and some people/places a cell module?
For a weak cell that throws a code, it should be a cell (or module) replacement. For degradation down to 8 bars or less, it's a pack replacement or buyback. The degradation should be (somewhat) uniform across all cells, and the cells have to be pretty well-matched.

They seem to be saving the supply of replacement packs for the Gen2 cars that still hold higher value, and therefore cost more to buy back. Gen1 cars are getting buyback offers (eventually). We don't know the situation with the supply of 40 kWh packs and where they're coming from, so the Gen2 cars may eventually have to turn into buybacks as well. The crazy part is they continue to sell new cars with 40 kWh packs, further straining the supply and also extending their obligation to cover those cars in the future.
 
New to this forum, and sadly only found it because I'm now dealing with a battery warranty issue (in BC, Canada). 2019 SV with ~30,000 km. Car wouldn't turn on, so had it towed to the dealership. They diagnosed the battery as having multiple faulty components and determined the full battery needed to be replaced. Initial ETA was 2 weeks - within a week, it then went to 2 months, and then 6+ months (so essentially no ETA). Shocked that this is possible with a major car brand like Nissan. Will post updates here, and interested hear from others in Canada who may have had better luck (although from what I've seen in the thread, most are seeing similar timelines).
Latest update - spoke with Nissan Canada to ask for some (any) guidance on when a replacement battery will be available. They said they have no ETA but will send me a text every two weeks with status. I’m guessing this is going to take 6-12 months. Wondering if others are hearing the same from Nissan Canada?
 
For a weak cell that throws a code, it should be a cell (or module) replacement.
What is the DTC code for a weak cell replacement under warranty?

When my car shuts down due to weak cells, it has these kinds of DTC codes:
P3382-00 4E HV BATTERY Cell Over Discharge Module14 EVC-121
P3378-00 4E HV BATTERY Cell Over Discharge Module4 EVC-118

The dealer claims these are not an error :-(
 
Latest update - spoke with Nissan Canada to ask for some (any) guidance on when a replacement battery will be available. They said they have no ETA but will send me a text every two weeks with status. I’m guessing this is going to take 6-12 months. Wondering if others are hearing the same from Nissan Canada?

My every 2 weeks update ended up being one update after 2 weeks and then nothing thereafter. 2016 been waiting since Feb 2023 in BC. I have read of 2018+ getting replacements within 3 months in Facebook groups, generally due to failing cells. Sounds like ER triage honestly, and mine is the hip replacement vs the guys with the strokes
 
What is the DTC code for a weak cell replacement under warranty?

When my car shuts down due to weak cells, it has these kinds of DTC codes:
P3382-00 4E HV BATTERY Cell Over Discharge Module14 EVC-121
P3378-00 4E HV BATTERY Cell Over Discharge Module4 EVC-118

The dealer claims these are not an error :-(
They aren't an "error" they are a statement of condition! That doesn't mean they can ignore the facts. I'd try to get the Nissan zone rep involved if it is new enough to qualify
 
2017 Leaf with just under 20k Miles.
Got the warranty and battery replacement approved in July 2023 (8 bars).
Local dealership service advisor (who is very good) initially told me 6-9 months, called this week and she says 12-18 months and they have not seen a battery replacement come in for months.
Called customer affairs at 800-NISSAN1 yesterday and started a buy back request. I have a case # for that request and they should call me within 24-48 hours (right, we'll see) to actually start the buy-back program.
Will document here how things progress.
 
Add me to the list of people who are part of the battery replacement process.

I bought my 2016 SV used with 9989 miles on it in April 2019. It had full capacity when I got it, but about a month or so after it was delivered it dropped a bar. It was my daily driver for a while, then I passed it onto my teenager when she got her license. The battery has been steadily dropping for a bit but I thought it had to be *less* than 8 bars before bringing it in, versus when it *hit* 8 bars. I have a friend who works for the Nissan Consumer Affairs department so I asked her about it and she said to take it in ASAP because the warranty covers the battery from when it was built, not just the model year of it. So I called my local dealership and they agreed to do a diagnostic on it. It's got 44K miles on it and the warranty on it expires in February, so it's good that I took it in when I did. They called me yesterday and said it qualifies for a replacement and Nissan has approved it, but it might be a while, as they have two other cars that have been waiting for 11 & 13 months respectively. They gave me a loaner Ariya to drive, letting me know it will need to be renewed each month.

I really don't want to do a buyback, as the car is paid off and has been for some time now, so I'm going to wait it out and see how it goes. If we get to the year range then I'll look into it for sure, but from what I'm reading here it's not going to happen as there simply aren't parts for the cars. I'm kind of surprised that with Nissan knowing that there aren't parts that they aren't just expediting the buyback process, but I'll drive the fancy rental for as long as they want me to in the meantime.

I'm in Texas and based on the Lemon Law calculations that our state uses I'd be entitled to about $14K back if usage is factored in. Obviously more if they nix the usage or cut it in half. It's not a bad deal but definitely not enough to get a replacement straight up. I did see that Hertz is selling used Tesla Model 3s for $20K though, so that might be an option should this wind up in a buyback.
 
A'ight, so I finally got my repurchase offer back from Nissan. They basically offered me what I originally paid for the vehicle back in June. Three months ago that probably would have been an acceptable offer, except:

  • In the first case I opened back in October, the arbitration specialist that I spoke to flat out refused to give me a buyback offer, despite my protestations. He insisted that Nissan would not offer to repurchase my vehicle, and that I should just continue to wait for a battery to ship.

  • The whole reason I opened that case to begin with was to determine whether a buyback was a possibility so that I could make a more informed decision about whether I should spend $5,000 on installing a home charging station. Being that I apparently wasn't going to be getting a buyback offer, I decided to proceed with the installation, because relying on Level 1 charges and quick charges was becoming a PITA with the rapidly degrading battery.

So even though the current offer would cover the amount I paid for the vehicle, I would still be $5,000 in the hole for the charging station. I explained all of this to the current arbitration specialist, but she said she could only reimburse me for ~$1,000 of the electrical work that was required to get the charging station installed. I did not find this to be acceptable, so I declined.

So then I asked her about the battery. At the beginning of this whole conversation, she mentioned that the 30 kWh batteries were no longer manufactured, which is why Nissan needed to repurchase the vehicle. So I asked her if she had any information regarding the status of the 40 kWh battery packs. She said that she couldn't give me an ETA for a part that has not yet been manufactured, but it was possible that I might receive a new 40 kWh battery by the end of the year. She then said that if I wanted to keep my car and continue waiting for the battery, she could offer me a settlement amount of $2,500 (lol).

Obviously I declined. So I guess I'm back at square one. I don't know if it's worth trying to re-open my BBB case, or if there's just no possibility of getting an offer that reimburses me for the charging station, but I guess I may as well give it a shot while I'm waiting for the non-existent battery to arrive.
 
A'ight, so I finally got my repurchase offer back from Nissan. They basically offered me what I originally paid for the vehicle back in June. Three months ago that probably would have been an acceptable offer, except:

  • In the first case I opened back in October, the arbitration specialist that I spoke to flat out refused to give me a buyback offer, despite my protestations. He insisted that Nissan would not offer to repurchase my vehicle, and that I should just continue to wait for a battery to ship.

  • The whole reason I opened that case to begin with was to determine whether a buyback was a possibility so that I could make a more informed decision about whether I should spend $5,000 on installing a home charging station. Being that I apparently wasn't going to be getting a buyback offer, I decided to proceed with the installation, because relying on Level 1 charges and quick charges was becoming a PITA with the rapidly degrading battery.

So even though the current offer would cover the amount I paid for the vehicle, I would still be $5,000 in the hole for the charging station. I explained all of this to the current arbitration specialist, but she said she could only reimburse me for ~$1,000 of the electrical work that was required to get the charging station installed. I did not find this to be acceptable, so I declined.

So then I asked her about the battery. At the beginning of this whole conversation, she mentioned that the 30 kWh batteries were no longer manufactured, which is why Nissan needed to repurchase the vehicle. So I asked her if she had any information regarding the status of the 40 kWh battery packs. She said that she couldn't give me an ETA for a part that has not yet been manufactured, but it was possible that I might receive a new 40 kWh battery by the end of the year. She then said that if I wanted to keep my car and continue waiting for the battery, she could offer me a settlement amount of $2,500 (lol).

Obviously I declined. So I guess I'm back at square one. I don't know if it's worth trying to re-open my BBB case, or if there's just no possibility of getting an offer that reimburses me for the charging station, but I guess I may as well give it a shot while I'm waiting for the non-existent battery to arrive.
Way back in 2016, my son, who was driving my 2011 Leaf, told me he was getting close to being unable to make his commute with the range available in the car. I took a look and it was down to 8 bars. I took it to the dealer only to be told I had missed the warranty window by a couple of weeks. I went around and around with them and they wouldn't budge. I took the case to BBB and got nowhere with that as well. No one would do anything to honor the warranty.

I ended up replacing the battery myself in my carport from a donor car and that is still the car/battery I'm driving today.

My advice, take the best and fastest deal you can get out of Nissan and be done with them. They are not building sufficient warranty batteries to service the demand because they have moved on from the Leaf to the Ariya -- they want to sell new cars, not repair old ones. They really don't care about you because they know you'll probably never buy another Nissan after this (in my case they're correct). You are unlikely to get satisfaction from any of the other routes you are pursuing, as I didn't.
 
A'ight, so I finally got my repurchase offer back from Nissan. They basically offered me what I originally paid for the vehicle back in June. Three months ago that probably would have been an acceptable offer, except:

  • In the first case I opened back in October, the arbitration specialist that I spoke to flat out refused to give me a buyback offer, despite my protestations. He insisted that Nissan would not offer to repurchase my vehicle, and that I should just continue to wait for a battery to ship.

  • The whole reason I opened that case to begin with was to determine whether a buyback was a possibility so that I could make a more informed decision about whether I should spend $5,000 on installing a home charging station. Being that I apparently wasn't going to be getting a buyback offer, I decided to proceed with the installation, because relying on Level 1 charges and quick charges was becoming a PITA with the rapidly degrading battery.

So even though the current offer would cover the amount I paid for the vehicle, I would still be $5,000 in the hole for the charging station. I explained all of this to the current arbitration specialist, but she said she could only reimburse me for ~$1,000 of the electrical work that was required to get the charging station installed. I did not find this to be acceptable, so I declined.

So then I asked her about the battery. At the beginning of this whole conversation, she mentioned that the 30 kWh batteries were no longer manufactured, which is why Nissan needed to repurchase the vehicle. So I asked her if she had any information regarding the status of the 40 kWh battery packs. She said that she couldn't give me an ETA for a part that has not yet been manufactured, but it was possible that I might receive a new 40 kWh battery by the end of the year. She then said that if I wanted to keep my car and continue waiting for the battery, she could offer me a settlement amount of $2,500 (lol).

Obviously I declined. So I guess I'm back at square one. I don't know if it's worth trying to re-open my BBB case, or if there's just no possibility of getting an offer that reimburses me for the charging station, but I guess I may as well give it a shot while I'm waiting for the non-existent battery to arrive.
To sum up, you bought a car, that really needs a L2 charger EVSE, but you didn't install one, then three months later you filed claim, they offered to pay you back 100% of what you paid for the car, but you are upset because you chose after having the car and deciding you didn't want to keep it, that you would install a EVSE and want Nissan to buy and install it for you? They even offered to kick in $1000 and you still are upset?
If you are not prepared to install a L2 EVSE, then you either need to rely on commercial charging or accept the slow charging of L1.
Me thinks you expect too much! Full refund for a car you chose, is not good enough? Then you want to be compensated for your other choices? You were offered a buy back because they couldn't replace the battery in a timely manor, that was Nissan responsibility, anything they offered beyond that was pure "good will" on their part.
 
Has anyone had their buyback halted by the Morley rep due to vehicle damage?

I’m not sure that Nissan has done their math right, yet I don’t want to interrupt them if they’re making a mistake in our favor. They’ve already dragged us through their negotiation gantlet and I have no sympathy left for any errors on their part.

Here’s an update on my 9 December post:
https://mynissanleaf.com/threads/the-battery-replacement-buyback-thread.34237/post-635510
When we asked to do the vehicle turnover in our driveway (because the car’s already shut down on us once), the Nissan arbitration rep insisted that we had to do it at the local dealer. That’s a four-mile drive with only a couple small hills, so we didn’t object. Perhaps their Morley rep doesn’t want to have to actually drive the cars, either, or pay for a tow truck.

Nissan’s repurchase e-mail said that Morley needed 14 business days, and we heard from the Morley rep on Day #8. We have an appointment with their local rep on Friday 19 January, and they say their process takes about an hour.

Morley’s rep specified that we’d sign a limited power of attorney for Morley to fill out the car title. I didn’t object to that either, but we’re still going to tear off the title’s perforated “Notice of Transfer” part which Hawaii requires as evidence that we’re no longer the owners.

We bought the (used) 2017 Leaf in mid-2019, so their deduction for our four years of depreciation (and minor damage) seems very small. They started with our purchase price because we had copies of the cashier’s check that we gave the seller and of his deposit clearing our checking account:
Base Price: $14,000.00
Registration: $422.75
Total Purchase Price: $14,422.75
Less Usage: $1,472.80
Total Deductions: $1,472.80
Amount Payable to Customer: $12,949.95

Both the Nissan and Morley reps give the impression that they’re bringing a cashier’s check to the turnover. (I think that implies they’re not going to renegotiate the repurchase amount while we’re at the dealer.) We’ve sent Nissan a photo of the Leaf which clearly shows the dented & scratched left rear fender, but no one has commented on it. However here’s the Morley e-mail with our appointment, which is clearly a template:

“Please verify the following prior to your scheduled appointment:
[ ] It is imperative that you speak to the dealership contact that is referenced above as others at the dealership may not be familiar with your objective for this appointment.
[ ] Verify that there is no damage to the vehicle.
[ ] Spelling of the customer's name is correct on this document.
[ ] All parties listed on the title will need to be present at the vehicle turn in.
[ ] The customer must bring the title to the vehicle to the turn in, if they hold it.
[ ] Customer(s) must have their driver's license, charging cable, any keys, remotes and owner's manual at the vehicle turn in.
[ ] Vehicle must be clean in order for the agent to inspect it.
[ ] Certified check or money order in the amount of $ 0.00 made payable to . (If applicable)”

If the Morley rep comments on the damaged left fender then we could shrug our shoulders and say that the Nissan rep already accounted for it in their offer. Has anyone else dealt with this situation?
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Side note: on 4 January, our case with the BBB timed out. Their process expects to settle a dispute in 40 days, so they administratively closed the case. They called me first to ask for an update and then explained why they were doing this. They stressed that they’re keeping the case on file for me to add more documentation to their website after finishing the buyback
 
To sum up, you bought a car, that really needs a L2 charger EVSE, but you didn't install one, then three months later you filed claim, they offered to pay you back 100% of what you paid for the car, but you are upset because you chose after having the car and deciding you didn't want to keep it, that you would install a EVSE and want Nissan to buy and install it for you? They even offered to kick in $1000 and you still are upset?
If you are not prepared to install a L2 EVSE, then you either need to rely on commercial charging or accept the slow charging of L1.
Me thinks you expect too much! Full refund for a car you chose, is not good enough? Then you want to be compensated for your other choices? You were offered a buy back because they couldn't replace the battery in a timely manor, that was Nissan responsibility, anything they offered beyond that was pure "good will" on their part.
I was thinking this too and it's not like the EV charger is proprietary. Most other EVs can use it too so unless you're going back to ICE vehicles only then you can still use it and get value out of it. Don't make the commitment on installing a L2 unless you really plan to use it long term. I've had my ChargePoint L2 for about 6 years and got the one with the 240V plug which was great because we moved and were able to take it with us. Had to get another 240V installed at the new house but I learned how to do it myself which saved a ton of money. Had it permitted and inspected to check my work but either way they are long term investments.
 
Way back in 2016, my son, who was driving my 2011 Leaf, told me he was getting close to being unable to make his commute with the range available in the car. I took a look and it was down to 8 bars. I took it to the dealer only to be told I had missed the warranty window by a couple of weeks. I went around and around with them and they wouldn't budge. I took the case to BBB and got nowhere with that as well. No one would do anything to honor the warranty.

I ended up replacing the battery myself in my carport from a donor car and that is still the car/battery I'm driving today.

My advice, take the best and fastest deal you can get out of Nissan and be done with them. They are not building sufficient warranty batteries to service the demand because they have moved on from the Leaf to the Ariya -- they want to sell new cars, not repair old ones. They really don't care about you because they know you'll probably never buy another Nissan after this (in my case they're correct). You are unlikely to get satisfaction from any of the other routes you are pursuing, as I didn't.

You are 100% right that I should probably just accept any offer they give me so that I can just get out of this situtation and move on with my life, but unfortunately I am too petty to do that, lmao. At this point I guess I'm just gonna keep waiting for a battery until the car degrades to the point that it's undriveable, at which point I guess I'll just open another case. But yes, your suggestion is definitely the smarter thing to do, lol.

To sum up, you bought a car, that really needs a L2 charger EVSE, but you didn't install one, then three months later you filed claim, they offered to pay you back 100% of what you paid for the car,

No. I purchased the car in June, and I did not immediately install a L2 charging station because I wanted to wait until I actually had confirmation that the new battery had arrived. The warranty claim was originally filed in February by the previous owner of the vehicle, and according to the dealership, the battery might take up to 6 months to arrive from the time the claim was filed, which would place the ETA at around July or August. I didn't mind relying on L1 and quick charges until then, so I decided to go ahead with purchasing the vehicle.

By October, I had still received no word from the dealership regarding the status of the battery. I wasn't expecting to have to wait that long for the battery to arrive, so I was beginning to wonder whether I should just proceed with the installation of the charging station. However, at this time it had also become apparent that Nissan was unable to honor their warranty for most customers, and that they were instead offering to repurchase those customer's vehicles. I didn't want to end up in a situation where I had wasted $5,000 to install a charging station only to find out that Nissan was going to want to buy the car back, so I opened a case with Consumer Affairs to seek some guidance on how to proceed.

My question to Nissan was simply: "Can you provide any information on when I might expect to receive a battery, or is there a possibility that Nissan will decide to repurchase my vehicle?"

When I received a call from the arbitration specialist, he was immediately very adamant that Nissan was not going to give me a buyback offer. He said that my vehicle didn't qualify to be repurchased for some bullshit reason that I don't even remember anymore. I asked him if he could provide me any information on when the battery might arrive. He said no. I was dissatisfied with his inability to provide any sort of resolution to my inquiry, so I asked Consumer Affairs if I could speak to another arbitration specialist about my situation.

Shortly thereafter I received a call from another arbitration specialist who told me the exact same thing: that Nissan was going to decline to offer to repurchase my vehicle, and that I should just continue to wait for a battery.

Keep in mind that I didn't even necessarily WANT a buyback; I was just calling to get a better understanding of how Nissan might choose to resolve the warranty claim. Being that my vehicle was apparently ineligible to be repurchased, I decided to proceed with the installation of the charging station.

However, I STILL hadn't received a satisfactory answer regarding when I might receive my battery, which is why I then opened another case in November. This time my question was simply: "Can you give me any information regarding when I might receive my battery?"

The arbitration specialist who called me immediately stated that Nissan no longer manufactured the battery that my vehicle needed, so my only option was to allow Nissan to repurchase the vehicle.

Can you see how this would be frustrating? I specifically went out of my way to try to understand how Nissan might choose to resolve my warranty claim, and according to the information they provided me, I decided to have a charging station installed. And then, 4 short weeks later, a new arbitration specialist tells me the exact opposite of what the first two arbitration specialists told me. But by then, I had already spent $5,000 on a charging station. I hope you can understand why I would be annoyed by this situation.

Anyway, the new arbitration specialist was very resistant to answering any specific questions regarding the battery, and she kept pressing me to initiate the repurchase process. I didn't really see any point in arguing with her if I didn't even know what Nissan's offer was going to be, so I reluctantly submitted all of the documents she requested. This brings us to where I currently am now.

but you are upset because you chose after having the car and deciding you didn't want to keep it, that you would install a EVSE and want Nissan to buy and install it for you? They even offered to kick in $1000 and you still are upset?

I'm not sure what gave you the impression that I don't want to keep the car. In fact, I would PREFER to keep the car, and I would PREFER to receive a battery. Especially now that I've blown $5,000 on a charging station.

Me thinks you expect too much! Full refund for a car you chose, is not good enough? Then you want to be compensated for your other choices?

Considering that my "other choices" were made based on Nissan's input: no, a full refund of the car is not enough at this point. But I suppose that is irrelevent since I never even WANTED a buyback offer to begin with.
 
Neither does buying a car that has a known problem, and than complaining about the problem.
It seams to me, you expected to buy very cheap, have Nissan put a new battery in and get an almost new car for close to nothing.
Great if it works out, nothing wrong with that, but you took a big gamble and lost.
The previous owner, wasn't willing to wait, and it seam neither are you. The big difference is they bought the car without the known problem, you did not.
Nissan is willing to cover your loss on the car, and kick in $1000 for the wall unit, but not for rewiring your house. For someone who took a big gamble and lost, you still could make out well if you take their last offer. It seams to me you are set on gambling again that by refusing their offer, they will sweeten it more. Your track record on gambling with this car isn't good, and I wouldn't take that bet.
Even if you go to court, most courts would say you were offered a fair settlement, and at least in the US, it will cost a fair bit to get to court.
 
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