Eyeresearch
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LeftieBiker said:Equally likely, he will suggest that Nissan de-emphasize EVs and just sell the Leaf until it's obsolete.
"Until it's obsolete" LMAO
LeftieBiker said:Equally likely, he will suggest that Nissan de-emphasize EVs and just sell the Leaf until it's obsolete.
Eyeresearch said:LeftieBiker said:Equally likely, he will suggest that Nissan de-emphasize EVs and just sell the Leaf until it's obsolete.
"Until it's obsolete" LMAO
GaleHawkins said:Eyeresearch said:My patience wore thin with excuse after excuse from Nissan and I made the jump to Tesla and glad I did. With the Nationwide Super Charging Network and the new Version 3 charging system coming online as I type my charge times will be cut in half on average down to 20 minutes on a cross country trip (250kwh speeds). Check out https://abetterrouteplanner.com/ and see what is waiting for you. And it keeps getting better and with the acquisition of Maxwell Technologies, it's only going to get better, like a Million Mile Battery Life better. No more range anxiety, a thing of the past.
The Model 3 is great and we have our name in the hat for the CyberTruck, with 0 to 60 in 2.9, sweet.
https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=c835a3f2-1d5b-40dd-856d-c63b6f77be44
Sadly Nissan dealerships lack of excitement has not helped things in the USA. I was actually told at one dealership that buying back my car would be as cheap for Nissan as it was to replace the battery. I have decided the low end Tesla is a lot more car than a high end Leaf. There is no price difference. I have been driving Nissan since 1973 but I am starting to read Nissan had a lot of loss motion at the top that may lead it its death. If they could only have had a CEO with the brains and foresight of Elon Musk. Hopefully Nissan will find a way forward but your posts shows they have wasted a lot of good will of EV buyers.
DaveinOlyWA said:As always degradation is an issue but how far down the road will it become "the issue?" Because I didn't get this car to last 20 years. 5-7 is about all I will put up with it for. Technology in the auto world is moving faster now than at anytime in our history. I will be upgrading.
DaveinOlyWA said:WetEV said:GM limited market share to avoid anti-trust action in the 1950's and 1960's. GM had a nearly 50% market share. Antitrust case was started in the 1960's, but then Toyota and others started winning.GaleHawkins said:What car companies have ever been proven in court to be a monopoly? I know about Standard Oil and the phone companies being declared monopolies but I can not recall any car company. It could be decades before all EV's made can't find buyers. I think it shows a lack of interest that no EV makers have come out with an EV that matches the range of what Tesla was selling as 2012 Model S.
EV production and sales has been and is likely to roughly double every 2-3 years. So roughly 10 to 15 years out, if Tesla maintains market share of EVs, Tesla will top GM's market share.
Lack of interest can be fatal.
Won't be fatal but the lackluster reaction to market forces will be telling. Like the Prius, eventually manufacturers will come around to the fact that the technology provides something people want. For the Prius, it was high gas mileage. For EVs, it will be not going to the gas station.
I know people will argue the charging times hold us back and that would be wrong. It is the inadequate charging network holding us back. If we have a certain level of confidence we could go somewhere and plug in, it would be a completely different ballgame.
DougWantsALeaf said:Yep, it’s an 8-15k price difference between the M3 SR+ and the Leaf Plus for similar utility. If you were a coast to coast driver the LR 3,S, or X are still likely your best bets, but cost considerably more. If you like the Bolt better, given current discounts it’s the same balance. If you can get the Niro (not by us in Chicago) I haven’t seen the discounts to be as deep, but for base version still a bit cheaper.
In retrospect I still struggle whether it would have been either better to get either the SL or just the S vs the SV with tech. It was 2K more or 4.5K less. In any case the car has done fine in all scenarios I have needed it for this far. With the EA and new state fast charger programs in the mid west providing redundancy, the super charger advantage has already been nearly evaporated.
fotajoye said:Can anyone confirm the price of a replacement 24 kW(h) pack at $5.5k and a 40 kW(h) at $9.5k?
I saw a recent post on the Facebook Leaf owners site which documented a recent replacement of a 24 kwh battery (including installation) at $7.5 k by a Nissan dealer in the Phoenix area. Four pages back on this topic there was a discussion about Nissan moving to the 40 kwh battery as a replacement for the 30 kwh Leaf battery. There seems to be some additional relevant information in the "40 kw-hr battery in 2016 leaf" discussion thread.fotajoye said:Can anyone confirm the price of a replacement 24 kW(h) pack at $5.5k and a 40 kW(h) at $9.5k?
DaveinOlyWA said:Your observations on the degradation curve could be old battery tech or simply your driving needs not being a good fit for the range the car offers. I think any money spent on a 24 kwh pack is not recommended. Despite the noise that the average American only drives XX miles and the 24 kwh LEAF has double that, yada, yada; its not going to work with everyone and it looks like you are in that segment.
With 30 kwh packs getting 40 kwh upgrades, you might be lucky enough to run across someone selling theirs cheap or something along those lines. More range allows you a ton of battery management options the 24 kwh does not provide. Its pretty easy to control the charge to something less than 100% thru the timers.
Fenix Power might be an option. They are offering battery as a service for a monthly fee and will install a used leaf battery with a performance guarantee against loss. They are ready to begin operations. Against a 24 KWH battery for $5500 from Nissan, this might be viable as an option. The company staying in business is a crap shoot but It offers an alternative to NissanLeftieBiker said:To the best of our knowledge, your only option is a new 24kwh battery that will have the same range yours had originally, but that will degrade much more slowly. The cost is about $5500, with Nissan taking the old battery as a "core." If true, this is a fairly good deal. If you want more capacity, then you'll have to find an independent shop willing to install a used 30kwh or 40 kwh battery in your car, with an aftermarket "bridge" to let the new battery communicate with the car. If you go that route, choose the 30kwh battery very carefully, as there have been issues with those and Nissan won't honor the battery warranty for a transplanted battery!
johnlocke said:Fenix Power might be an option. They are offering battery as a service for a monthly fee and will install a used leaf battery with a performance guarantee against loss. They are ready to begin operations. Against a 24 KWH battery for $5500 from Nissan, this might be viable as an option. The company staying in business is a crap shoot but It offers an alternative to NissanLeftieBiker said:To the best of our knowledge, your only option is a new 24kwh battery that will have the same range yours had originally, but that will degrade much more slowly. The cost is about $5500, with Nissan taking the old battery as a "core." If true, this is a fairly good deal. If you want more capacity, then you'll have to find an independent shop willing to install a used 30kwh or 40 kwh battery in your car, with an aftermarket "bridge" to let the new battery communicate with the car. If you go that route, choose the 30kwh battery very carefully, as there have been issues with those and Nissan won't honor the battery warranty for a transplanted battery!
What is the weight difference between the 24 kWh battery and the 40 kWh battery? Is Nissan using the same cells, same energy density? Are we talking about limiting the gross weight; how about suspension changes?Oilpan4 said:Battery swaps from newer cars that have been crashed have already made fenix obsolete.
The 2013-2019 24, 30 and 40kwh batteries are pretty much the same. Slight manufacturing and chemistry differences gave the boost in power, the module stacks are only a few mm longer in the 40kwh packs, there are only a few Kg difference between 24 and 40kwh. They bolt up the same, wire plugs are the same.fotajoye said:What is the weight difference between the 24 kWh battery and the 40 kWh battery? Is Nissan using the same cells, same energy density? Are we talking about limiting the gross weight; how about suspension changes?Oilpan4 said:Battery swaps from newer cars that have been crashed have already made fenix obsolete.
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