mbender said:
Well, until I see these things scale up (and I'm all for government grants to research all possibilities), I won't really believe that they/we can feed 'megacities', millions and billions of people without moving water from where it falls to where it doesn't fall but can be used because of good soil (ie, much of the central valley). I don't believe they need as MUCH as they get, nor agree with how LITTLE they pay for it, but I do think they need the water delivery system in order to produce the quantities that are required.
The view that things must 'scale up' (as it get larger?) seems to be prevalent here on the forum. "Get big or get out" is a symptom of the disease, not a goal we should be reaching for, in my opinion. The trends are towards reducing food miles, local production, small-scale and especially urban production. All of those seem to fit the global shift away from massive centralization (computers, power generation, food production) towards a system of duplication. All of the systems I mentioned duplicate easily and don't require any advanced tech, computers, or in many cases electricity (Aquaponics requires a water pump which, due to the low 'head' required uses relatively little energy that can be provided by a PV panel and car battery. The rest use gravity or other natural systems.)
Even though aquaponics was invented on Cape Cod in the '70s by some 'refugees' from the West Coast[1],
it's taken off in Australia and other parts of the world much faster than here. It's local food for the thousands of people converting 275 gallon IBC totes into fish tanks and grow beds in their back yards. It's local food for the larger operations growing enough to supply fish and veggies to a dozen local restaurants. It's also been shown to scale in a traditional sense - ADM has a large organic aquaponics plant in Illinois that produces tilapia for markets in Chicago and NYC.
The best and most concise intro to aquaponics comes from Aussie Murry Hallam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYR9s6chrI0
This tour of an Austin aquaponics farm is cool as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00AnTN24kkM
(Key points: water efficiency, time compression (lettuce in 45 days rather than 60), space compression (higher density planting relative to soil), much lower labor demands)
mbender said:
"Second", I have a hunch that even if the scaling up of your examples were possible and 'came to be', many (times) more farmers would be required to do the work of harvesting and getting to market, etc*. I'm not necessarily against this either, but see it as an equally big challenge as the one above -- (growing the quantities required to feed billions with only 'in situ' water). How fast can we move from 2% to 4%, 6% or more of the population into farming?
I would love to be proven wrong on either count, though. I know we aren't making the best (or even mediocre?) use of the resources we have (hope for challenge #1), and change can happen quite quickly when people find themselves staring into an abyss (hope for challenge #2) !
It appears that there are plenty of people that want to farm but cannot get access to land. Most are younger and solidly in the local/distributed/sustainable paradigms. They're also tending to be the ones more actively involved in fair trade, etc. so maybe the system will continue to get more fair, pay living wages, and not require slavery to put tomatoes on our plates. Fingers crossed.
The water thing is the first of many things that caused my brain to melt when I started studying Permaculture. I would have never believed that soil could grow much more food per acre than conventional systems while also increasing soil health, water storage, refilling aquifers, and restoring long-dead springs. Same for the Earthship systems. If I hadn't rented one, worked on others, and moved to S Texas where rainwater harvesting is a real 'thing', I wouldn't have believed that either. All I can do is toss out some words, some links as starting points, and say things like: "Duuuude! Rainwater tastes GOOD, it's naturally soft, doesn't trash faucets or toilets, and the shower is awesome!"
mbender said:
* this is probably one place where monocropping is "better" / cheaper / more efficient than "diversified farming", and probably one of the factors that led to its foolish adoption. :-\
I think you nailed it. Our current ag system is 'efficient' in only one area - food grown per man hour. It's not the most efficient use of land or water, it requires off-farm income for farmers to stay one step away from insolvency, and there are more negative externalities than kilos of food.
Converting 100 acres of Central Valley farm to an aquaponics operation would likely produce twice the food on 10% of the water being used for conventional ag - without chemicals or fossil inputs and with a lower labor demand. Its a farming system that works just as well in LA - all over LA - as it would in the central valley.
Whisper Farms - in LA - replacing a single SoCal salary on 8000 square feet. :shock:
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http://www.thegreencenter.net/newalchemy.html
http://www.amazon.com/Safe-Sustainable-World-Promise-Ecological/dp/1559637803