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One Year in a Used 2015 Leaf - update : lost bar @ 36600 mi,.

Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:38 pm

Update: Changed thread title. Jump to last page for the update.

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Original Post. Six Months in a Used Leaf - 2015

Hi everyone. Yesterday, marked my six month anniversary for Little Zippy, a red 2015 Leaf S. I bought it with 24007 mi on the odometer from Carvana, so it was a leap of faith for the car and the dealer. Some observations...

- This is a great car. We have no real complaints. So glad I made the jump.

- A used Leaf is a great deal. Prices are still low and the car ages well. There are really almost no signs of use. I drive it normally, have not been near a dealer, and only washed it once. It tracks perfectly straight. All controls still feel like new. The seats and paint show no sign of use. No rattles. This is a well made little car. I have not spent another dime on it other than weekend plugins at my house. I feel like a Leaf is not the sort of vehicle most people would abuse, so go used.

- S model is fine. I don't need that carwings stuff. Electric everything (no pun), bluetooth, siri, heated seats front, back, and steering wheel. The radio and climate controls on the dash and steering wheel work great. It's nearly perfect. The only bummer is that music does not stream from the iphone to the car, I have to use the cable and half the time it does not show the correct song on the display -wow, first world problem.

- Slow charging for local driving is fine. I am driving about 900 per month, same as before in my ICE car. I have only used 4 QC in 6 months. 90% of my charging is L2 at work, the other 10% is at home on the 110. This has been no problem. I have only once turned down a local trip due to low charge.

- It really eats charge at interstate speeds. dang. But, around town, shopping, friends, restaurants, it hardly loses any charge. This this is great. I wish I worked in town. I really hope future EVs have better highway performance.

- We need more QC locations. I have many available locally, where I don't need them, but virtually none on the main roads for regional trips. If Tesla can do this, why cannot Nissan ? In fact, why can't we standardize Chademo or CCS ? Why don't my state highway rest stops have QC ? Seriously?

- Winter range drops about 10-20%. Half of December and all of January were often below freezing, and even the last week was below freezing every night. I only ran the heat about half the time, but have used the seats and wheel heating every all the time. This range drop has had no limiting effect on my driving. No big deal.

- Love the power, but wish it had more power beyond 30mph. 2018, I know. I just have to wait a few years for reasonable used ones.

- The manual seat controls suck. I really wish it had a power drivers seat] like nearly every other car over $20K.

- Hub caps ? Seriously, this is the only car over $20K with plastic hubcaps. I got lucky (?) that mine at least has Altima hubcaps which are better looking, to me.

- I did look at a 2018, and was not that much impressed. The range jump is great but not quite enough to be a regional trip car in this area, much less national. In that case, it does not have any more true utility than my 80 mile range Little Zippy. I wish they had actually made a 100% new car and had not taken the heated seats and wheel out of the S, and added real wheels. I am noping that in a few years there will be lots of good used EV on the market.

- All together, it needs just a few more features and a better QC network, a little more range, and it would be perfect.

Leaf spy report. The weird thing is that it degraded by the end of December, but has shown no additional degradation since them, despite the older weather. I am living in fear of losing that first bar, I know it won't last forever.

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ODO      Date      Ahr      SOH   Voltage      Hx   QC   L1/L2   SOC     KWH      Ah   Temp avg   GID %   GID
24358   11/3/2017   55.89   90.00   395.40   84.64   363    377   93.9   19.50   52.50   67.2   89.7   252
29545   3/24/2018   53.46   86.08   395.37   76.33   367    556   96.9   19.50   51.82   43.8   89.3   251


We got lucky and received a nice fresh snowfall for the drive home from a dinner party last night. The red car looks great with a fresh coat of snow.
Last edited by pipestem on Thu Dec 06, 2018 5:30 am, edited 3 times in total.
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Re: Six Months in a Used Leaf - 2015

Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:52 pm

The BMS will probably wait until Spring to drop the 12th bar. Although your weather barely qualifies as "Winter" to many of us, so it may happen the next warm spell you get.
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Re: Six Months in a Used Leaf - 2015

Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:48 pm

It really eats charge at interstate speeds. dang. But, around town, shopping, friends, restaurants, it hardly loses any charge. This this is great. I wish I worked in town. I really hope future EVs have better highway performance


Other than a bigger battery, it's too bad that Nissan didn't make the LEAF more aerodynamic as that would have improved highway driving range significantly. The Hyundai IONIQ has a much lower wind coefficient and also has a TMS, two huge advantages. I'll probably consider an IONIQ as a used buy in a few years, if the LEAF's battery degradation starts to frustrate me RE limited range. I suspect that the IONIQ will depreciate less rapidly than the LEAFs have though.

Having said all that, it sounds like most of your commute is at highway speeds. You'll find that dropping your speed even 5 mph will make a big difference. Also, make sure your tires are at least 40 psi and maybe even consider a few low cost aero mods (i.e. grill block, 16" pizza trays, that can be bought on Amazon for <$20, as wheel covers, etc).

Finally, make sure you buy LRR tires (i.e. Ecopia 422 plus) - they definitely make a difference.
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Re: Six Months in a Used Leaf - 2015

Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:54 am

alozzy wrote:....

Having said all that, it sounds like most of your commute is at highway speeds. You'll find that dropping your speed even 5 mph will make a big difference. Also, make sure your tires are at least 40 psi and maybe even consider a few low cost aero mods (i.e. grill block, 16" pizza trays, that can be bought on Amazon for <$20, as wheel covers, etc).

Finally, make sure you buy LRR tires (i.e. Ecopia 422 plus) - they definitely make a difference.


Thanks. I try not to obsess on it.

Yeah the commute has 16 mi of highway where traffic ranges from 80 to 10 , so I get a full chance to try out every possible speed and condition. Tires are always full. You can really see the drop every +5 mi. I go back and forth between efficiency and speed using from 19% to 25% of charge. That's a moving metric though as temperature, A/C and heating, charge efficiency, traffic, and degradation come into play.

I saw one video test of full wheel covers that was interesting. The only caveat appears to be possible heat build up in warm temps, but regen braking should help mitigate that. It all adds up. Say you lose very roughly 10% for temperature, 5% for a modest amount of heat, 10% for 'excessive' speed, 10% for battery degradation, ... 30% off of absolute is pretty significant.

That reminds me, my biggest gripe is that the dash gives me GOM, remaining battery %, and a rough indicator of total battery capacity, but no absolute measure of KWh remaining. Spy is telling me that a full tank is max 20KWh so I know it, but I wish the dash would show it.

I guess the other gripe is there is not much to do to the car, I need a project to keep me busy.
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Re: Six Months in a Used Leaf - 2015

Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:14 am

LOL, if you are wanting a project this might interest you ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSqGBPBxfUE

Too ambitious for me, I'm way too dumb to pull that off.
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Re: Six Months in a Used Leaf - 2015

Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:52 pm

alozzy wrote:LOL, if you are wanting a project this might interest you ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSqGBPBxfUE

Too ambitious for me, I'm way too dumb to pull that off.


Or perhaps too smart to start. I have been looking at plans for something like an electric MGB. You have to think of it as a very long project that wastes lots of money and might be completed. Realistically, right now I have no time or temperament for it.

Reports on the 30 KWh battery life have not been encouraging, so I don't expect to be looking for a used one of those. In my area, the only BEV actually available are the Leaf, Bolt, I3, Focus, and Teslas. So three years or so from now it would be one of those. A few years from then and there should be several more used BEV candidates. However, one of those Leaf refurb packs for 2800 sounds pretty good., I could do that and give this car to one of the kids.

My first impression is still great used car - thanks everyone for leasing !
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Re: Six Months in a Used Leaf - 2015

Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:17 pm

10 month report. This car is still perfect. Still on 12 bars. However le'Wife had been driving it the last month and I miss it.

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Date         ODO    Ahr     SOH    Voltage    Hx     QC   L1/L2   Temp avg
11/3/2017   24358   55.89   90.00   395.40   84.64   363   377   67.2
3/24/2018   29545   53.46   86.08   395.37   76.33   367   556   43.8
5/11/2018   30742   53.70   86.47   386.45   77.24   367   595   75
7/01/2018   32343   54.65   88.00   395.87   80.15   368   648   80.4
7/21/2018   32633   54.23   87.23   395.50   79.19   368   661   79.7
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Re: Six Months in a Used Leaf - 2015

Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:26 pm

Looks like the first bar will drop in the next few months
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Re: Six Months in a Used Leaf - 2015

Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:59 pm

Perhaps. The main point of the post is to tell people that you don't have to drop 30k on a new one just get a good EV.

You know, even if the bar drops that only means we lost 1% more, not that the battery suddenly lost 15%, It's currently fine on range. When le'Wife drives the car around town, like this week, the 100% GOM still goes well over 90, which is pretty cool no matter how flawed.
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One Year in a Used 2015 Leaf

Fri Oct 05, 2018 6:12 pm

ONE YEAR UPDATE
Le Leaf is still rocking 12 bars. Note to everyone looking - Leaf is a great used car.

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Date         ODO     Ahr    SOH   Voltage    Hx      QC   L1/L2
11/3/2017   24358   55.89   90.00   395.40   84.64   363   377
3/24/2018   29545   53.46   86.08   395.37   76.33   367   556
5/11/2018   30742   53.70   86.47   386.45   77.24   367   595
07/1/2018   32343   54.65   88.00   395.87   80.15   368   648
7/21/2018   32633   54.23   87.23   395.50   79.19   368   661
8/11/2018   33142   54.20   87.28   395.50   79.10   368   679
09/4/2018   33603   54.18   87.19   395.35   78.91   368   699
9/29/2018   34488   54.14   87.19   395.75   78.91   369   722


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