Evoforce
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:45 am

As with the Leaf (which has no active cooling), I would double check if the Hyundai Kona BEV has good enough traction battery cooling. I only ask because the Hyundai Iconiq BEV uses cabin air like the Kia Soul EV which is not doing well in hot climates, but the Iconiq does have a non-transferable lifetime battery warranty. I am currently unfamiliar with the Kona BEV but suspect it is cooled the same as the Iconiq and most likely has the same lifetime battery warranty. If it has the same non-transferable battery warranty, expect the car to depreciate hard in the secondary market. Now I have to go educate myself on the specifics of the Kona!
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

LeftieBiker
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:21 am

https://www.caranddriver.com/hyundai/kona-electric


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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:14 am



California first.
CARB states later.
General availability???
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r1234567
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 2:05 pm

Have you looked at the Honda Clarity? It's a true 5-seater but no hatch. We have the PHEV and love it. You are in CA and have the option of the BEV at an amazing lease price. Ours is 2 months old and still on the same tank of gas.

GoingGreener
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:23 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Did you buy/lease a 2018?


Yes, a 2018 SL. I'll be picking it up on Monday, barring the unforeseen. I'm also looking to swap the the grey leather seats for cloth SV seats (with Tech package power driver seat) of either color.



Congrats!! :) So exciting! I wish we had an easier decision. If you have time, hope to see some pics!

GoingGreener
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:40 pm

alozzy wrote:Sounds like you are looking to buy new and want an EV family car. You might want to wait until year end, when the Kia Kona BEV should be available:

https://www.caranddriver.com/hyundai/kona-electric

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Thanks for bringing this! We do want a utilitarian car. This & a handful of new EVs are coming in 2019-2020. The time factors are whether we want to try for the full tax incentive on a Tesla or something else in 2018. Article says the Kona BEV might be available at the end of 2018. Checking out the ICE version of the Kona might give us some feeling of the build. The 5 do or hatch and sunroof sounds great! Like Evoforce says, hopefully TMS good.

GoingGreener
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:56 pm

r1234567 wrote:Have you looked at the Honda Clarity? It's a true 5-seater but no hatch. We have the PHEV and love it. You are in CA and have the option of the BEV at an amazing lease price. Ours is 2 months old and still on the same tank of gas.


Thank you for the suggestion. I like the "... on the same tank of gas..." :)

We test drove the fuel cell one a while back. Haven't seen much about the BEV version. Wonder what the price would be in CA.

r1234567
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:43 pm

The BEV is only available in CA and OR, the FC in CA, and the PHEV all of the US and Canada. I'm in Chicago which is why I bought the PHEV version.

The BEV is $899 down, $199 a month for 3 years. It's only available as a lease and has a range of 89 miles.

My PHEV has a 47 electric range with a 7-gallon gas tank for a total range of close to 350 miles.

GoingGreener
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:03 pm

r1234567 wrote:The BEV is only available in CA and OR, the FC in CA, and the PHEV all of the US and Canada. I'm in Chicago which is why I bought the PHEV version.

The BEV is $899 down, $199 a month for 3 years. It's only available as a lease and has a range of 89 miles.

My PHEV has a 47 electric range with a 7-gallon gas tank for a total range of close to 350 miles.


Wow, the Honda Clarity BEV is a great lease deal. Kinda like the Honda Fit BEV leases. What happened to all those BEV Fits? Are the Honda hybrids improved from back in the days?

r1234567
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Re: 2011 LEAF Replacement: Need Help w/Pros & Cons of 2018 BOLT, I3, LEAF & Tesla Model 3

Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:08 pm

Being in Chicago, the BEV Fits weren't an option here either.

I have a FB group for the Clarity if you want to learn more.

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